05-03-2012, 10:21 AM
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Even during the boom MGM was clear that they had no intention of imploding Circus Circus. It offered them a great return and a unique product.
It is successful for sure, but redo the Sahara (raname and rebrand it) and get the Echelon and FB going and that end of the strip would be ripe for gentrification. The stratospere is not that bad and quite a good tourist attraction but it gets a bad rap because of its location on the "strip". I would love to see that end get a makeover. Yeh have to wonder though if there is enough wealth to go around. If that end of the strip became nice, would the south end with Excalibur, NYNY and Luxor become old hat? They seem a bit cheesy already.
05-03-2012, 10:34 AM
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It is successful for sure, but redo the Sahara (raname and rebrand it) and get the Echelon and FB going and that end of the strip would be ripe for gentrification. The stratospere is not that bad and quite a good tourist attraction but it gets a bad rap because of its location on the "strip". I would love to see that end get a makeover. Yeh have to wonder though if there is enough wealth to go around. If that end of the strip became nice, would the south end with Excalibur, NYNY and Luxor become old hat? They seem a bit cheesy already.
Excalibur just looks so out of place, like a giant cartoon. Also ugly, IMO.
05-03-2012, 11:19 AM
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I am a huge fan of cheesy Las Vegas, but I don't care for the Excalibur either. I LOVE the 60s Las Vegas and one day I bet they bring the look back. I also like the vibe on Fremont because of that. But, I know there are those who enjoy the big, fancy buildings. My brother absolutely loved City Center. More than any of the other ones, but Bellagio and Caesars ran close.
05-03-2012, 11:32 AM
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If that end of the strip became nice, would the south end with Excalibur, NYNY and Luxor become old hat? They seem a bit cheesy already.
I think they're already old hat. That block looks like a really bad "C" movie set. They can blow up the Tropicana while they're at it. Nobody will miss it.
Problem is, with the current corporate leadership, if they blew up the Trop, they'd pick another area of the world to rip off. I imagine they'd replace it with something like China Lucky East Wind 888 Dragon Resort.
05-03-2012, 11:35 AM
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The apples to apples comparison is measuring EBITDA accross properties. This takes the debt service expense out of the equasion. I'm not sure how Circus Circus compares to places like Cosmo and City Center in that regard.
05-03-2012, 12:49 PM
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The apples to apples comparison is measuring EBITDA accross properties. This takes the debt service expense out of the equasion. I'm not sure how Circus Circus compares to places like Cosmo and City Center in that regard.
It does and doesnt work. Bellagio generates a ton of EBITDA, but cost to build has to be considered. Otherwise its like comparing rental income for a 50 year old house you have paid off against the rent you could get from the new house you bought a year ago.
In this particular situation Circus Circus generated just $23M in EBITDA for 2011, Bellagio generated $302M. How do you make a comparison of these two?
05-03-2012, 01:01 PM
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I am a huge fan of cheesy Las Vegas, but I don't care for the Excalibur either. I LOVE the 60s Las Vegas and one day I bet they bring the look back. I also like the vibe on Fremont because of that. But, I know there are those who enjoy the big, fancy buildings. My brother absolutely loved City Center. More than any of the other ones, but Bellagio and Caesars ran close.
Just my opinion but I think Vegas is big enough to cover all bases. I love the classic look/feel of Fremont, my wife prefers the big resorts on the Blvd, especially the themed ones (Paris, NYNY, Venetian, etc) Neither of us are too enthralled with the office building looking ones, but I think a couple of those on the strip (as long as the themed and "classic Vegas" ones are still being built) will attract some people, especially as tourism numbers continue to go up.
Also, it looks like I am in the minority but I hope they don't get rid of Circus, Circus. Yes, it's creepy. And it looks old and wore down. But I love that it has looked the exact same for so many years.
05-03-2012, 01:15 PM
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It don't matter much...one day, probably in our lifetime, any casino built prior to the 1990's will be imploded. It's just the way it has always gone.
05-03-2012, 03:02 PM
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I'm to the point now, that I don't care what they build, or where they got the money to do it.
This has been going on for nearly 4 years. The rest of the country has picked back up. Its time for Vegas to put people back to work.
If they want to build a 60 story casino out of puppy pelts, with money stolen from St. Jude's childrens cancer charity, I'd be grabbing my hard hat, and headed toward the strip. (
have a sense of humor!....)
05-03-2012, 05:37 PM
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The apples to apples comparison is measuring EBITDA accross properties. This takes the debt service expense out of the equasion. I'm not sure how Circus Circus compares to places like Cosmo and City Center in that regard.
"MGM Resorts International on Thursday reported a wider first-quarter loss than a year ago" ($217.3 million)
MGM loss up in 1st quarter, despite jump in revenue - VEGAS INC
"Despite this, business trends are looking up, MGM Resorts officials said."
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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