[Illuminatus]

Originally Posted by lvoc

Sorry but you are quite incorrect. The traffic here is vastly better today then it was 1996.

If this is true for you, then congratulations. I find it to be much, much worse than 1996.

[von949]

Originally Posted by demoknite

I dont know why people get upset about Las Vegas being so cookie cutter. Damn near all post war affordable housing is cookie cutter all across the country. Of course over time people have modified their homes to make older neighborhoods look more diverse and there are custom neighborhoods. And most towns now have strip malls with Target, Olive Garden, and McDonalds with their downtowns having died long ago. I dont know why people come to LV thinking its going to be all mom and pop shops and boutique restaurants.

I never understood that either. Cookie cutter cars, clothes and cell phones are fine, but homes are a no no.

Weird.



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[lvoc]

Originally Posted by Illuminatus

If this is true for you, then congratulations. I find it to be much, much worse than 1996.

Sorry this is fact stuff. You get your own opinions but not your own facts.

[Illuminatus]

Originally Posted by lvoc

Sorry this is fact stuff. You get your own opinions but not your own facts.

Fact based on what?

[MetalLord]

Originally Posted by von949

I never understood that either. Cookie cutter cars, clothes and cell phones are fine, but homes are a no no.

Weird.

Back in the day my grandpa had a cell phone that his father carved from an oaken log. The buttons were made from old piano keys and the screen was a glass window taken off an old dollhouse. It had character and charm.

[ScoopLV]

Originally Posted by lvoc

Sorry this is fact stuff. You get your own opinions but not your own facts.

So, you will explain how Las Vegas has better traffic now than almost 20 years ago when the population was 1/8th compared to today? Can't wait for this one.

Let the facts roll!

[MetalLord]

I'm in the "Pros Outweigh the Cons" camp, but there are a whole lot of cons and I don't know that I'd want to move back there now that I have a kid. Here are some of the cons:

- No beach! Lake Mead doesn't count. In California, I liked just knowing that the ocean was there and that I could go to it any time I really wanted to. The Las Vegas Valley felt like a concrete island on a sea of sand.

- Southern California wasn't exactly lush and verdant, but compared to Southern Nevada it was like frickin' British Columbia. I used to gripe about the summers as a kid (I've always hated hot weather) as I was far enough inland to not get that blessed ocean air, but Vegas made summers back home feel gentle and pleasant. Even in the cooler months, you can feel the desert sun, unfiltered by any humidity whatsoever, slowly peeling your skin off. Whereas in California the sun is like a gentle caress. I also hated Vegas throat, as well as the fact that the inside of my nose constantly felt like a box of Triscuits. Blech!

As for it being a "dry heat." I went to New Orleans in July once. Everyone told me I was going to drop dead in the streets. I loved it! It was great for my skin and my sinuses have never been so clear, before or since.

- If you're between the ages of 16 and 20, there is nothing to do. I mean, nothing legal you can do. Too old to be satisfied with go-karts and video arcades, too young for the bars and clubs. This is actually a problem, it's a major reason why teen pregnancy, teen drug abuse, teen alcoholism, and teen suicide are so abysmally high. Not the only reason, but a major one.

And it's not even about conservative moral values or any of that bullcrap, it's all because the casinos are trying to cover their butts. "See?" they say to the Feds, "we make damn sure the local kids are kept away from it!" As a result, let's say if you're 19 and you have a band, and you want to play for a crowd, you pretty much have to go out onto a dry lake bed with a generator and be ready to run like hell if the BLM cops show up.

This wasn't a problem for me personally, but it was and is a problem for the town, and it is a stupid one.

Two anecdotes to illustrate the extent of this: 1) There's a neat new coffeehouse up on Fremont, called The Beat. They have two beers on tap, PBR and Firehouse. I guess they have wine as well. At 7 p.m. every night, anyone under 21 is made to leave, just so that they can legally serve beer in tall plastic cups. 2) Local legend has it that when the Doors came to town in '68, they played that one ice rink (I think it was over in Commercial Center?). The owner begged Jim Morrison not to do anything crazy. "The city said they'll shut this place down, and this is the only place kids have here." In response, Morrison stood like a statue on the stage, hardly moving a muscle, and the band did a 45 minute rendition of 'When the Music's Over' and then walked off.

- The stupid politics. Locally and especially statewide. I hated how the yokels up north had us bent over a barrel. We could crush them. Why didn't we? Why!?

- The faux-libertarian "I got mine!" attitude that will stagnate and strangle the city if it hasn't already. Sure, a guy can move from Orange County and open up a tire store or a call center, but do you think a major corporation is willing to force its professionals who either have kids or who intend to have kids to live in a town with the worst freaking schools in the entire country!? Not to mention the Mickey Mouse public university, with whatever potential it does (or did) have being automatically quashed at every turn. Not to mention the lack of infrastructure investment that discourages heavy manufacturing and so much else.

- And then there's the water! A hydrologist told me that in the summer months, 90% of the water that is wasted--as in, that can't be reclaimed or recovered in any fashion--is lost to landscaping. It just evaporates into thin air and goes away somewhere else. Landscaping! All so that Green Valley can have green grass on their frickin' sidewalks, and all so uncle Lou and auntie Esther can have a green lawn like they did back in Teaneck.

- I could go on but I got somethin' to do.

[lvoc]

Let me try and succinctly state your points.

You find LV is not as green as inland CA which you dislike though both are actually entirely achieved by artificial irrigation. However Las Vegas should stop because it wastes water which is different than the water wasted on irrigation in CA.

You find the schools in Las Vegas the worst in the nation even though they are no place near the worst in the nation.

You think LV is mean to older teenagers because it enforces its laws about underage liquor and gambling. This is different from CA where they don't enforce the law against older teenagers.

You think manufacturing does not move here because of the most business friendly climate in the west but lacking infrastructure.

Does that some it up?

[dynimagelv]

ROFLMAO, I grew up in colorado in a town of 1400 people.....ya wanna talk nothin to do???? and yet I was NEVER EVER bored......

[kwruk1]

I live in Henderson, not Vegas itself, but am only 10 minutes from the Strip. The thing I hate most are the scorpions! I am always worried about my little ones getting stung. It is about my only complaint. I do love how close everything is and how easy places are to walk to.