[southwest1230]

Originally Posted by guinnessjim

my suggestion to you would be for YOU to stay away from vegas than.

you logic cannot be followed as it is flawed from the start. namely, you equate all gaming w/ an unwinnable game (aka 3-card monte). while there was/is undoubtedly some rigging of the games to decrease the odds of winning, they can be won.

this is not a nanny state....it is called gambling for a reason - people know there is a chance of losing the money they are playing w/....that is part of the 'thrill'. they play for the chance of winning, the free drinks, the atmosphere of las vegas. maybe LV took YOU as a rube, but most people know they will lose when they play.

it's a sin! so is life. so is being a racist. you should really inspect your house for glass before you start throwing stones. (and what the hell do the pictures you just posted have to do w/ LV? nothing, as it is clearly not vegas...but we see what you did there...you gonna edit this too?)

In the only game of chance in Vegas where skill can best the house, such as card counting in Vegas(yes, some dealers deal out of 2-3 shoes, but most
just out of one), if the casino thinks you are winning too often, they will
bar you from playing, even if you weren't card counting. That's just an xcuse to get rid of the player. No, vegas isn't EXACTLY three-card-monte, and there is a modicum of skill involved in table games, but the spirit of three-card-monte remains the same. Also, many slot wins are negated for mechanical" errors. Simply, the house is there to take your money.
Vegas is just one giant casino with a municipal charter attached......and cares not for its citizens or tourists.

[cjski21]

I'm paid very well and have a happy life because of gaming. As is my fiance. So no complaints here. I'll take the gaming industry over the auto industry anyday.

[southwest1230]

Originally Posted by ackackack

I don't understand why everyone has to be such asses when it comes to debating Las Vegas. Although I don't agree with every point southwest1230 made, especially how he made it, I can't say I disagree with most of what he said. A racist for showing a fatman who happens to be black eating a fat hamburger? How hypersensitive we have become. I, a part-hispanic hiding behind my computer screen, was also called a racist for my views on illegal immigration. I don't know what this person looks like, nor do I care. What if he's black? What if that's him? Is he still a racist? Why do you care?

Like it or not, Las Vegas isn't much different than Detroit. The main exception is that we have gaming, they had industry, and gaming isn't leaving. Thank god for that and all the $12,000 to $25,000/year jobs that they bring into the state.

Buzz made some points that were relevant at one time, but are not anymore. Regarding employment, have you checked lately? We are now ahead of the national unemployment average. Thanks to our other pony, construction. This place wasn't always wine and roses. Remember the 80s? Construction sucked then too, and it was hard to make a living here unless you worked in a casino. Don't forget Buzz, many people come here to end their lives too. It's a good place to destroy yourself too.

All that said, anyone who comes here, gambles, loses, good for you, you deserve it. If you haven't realized that these casinos were not built by the locals for our pleasure, or by your winnings, then you deserve to lose.

The only thing missing from this topic has been the obligitory, "southwest1230, if you don't like it, why don't you leave, or not come anymore, or go back to where you came from, etc." I'm disappointed that I had to say it for everyone.

Why do we always get around to the John Wayne, Reagan, Bush, love america or leave it thing? Can't we work to improve out city, or fight against the gaming corporations treating the locals and workers like sh*t, without being shown the door? No, I'm staying......keep this discussion going. Let's get even deeper into the subject. There have been some great thoughts expressed here. Time to get deeper...This guy just mentioned that the unemployment rate is now above the national rate in Vegas for the first time. This is due to two things:
1.) Real estate fall-out....all RE related occupations are dead now....perhaps 1 out of 5 folks are displaced real estate refugees now.
2.) People are struggling now nationally with RE. They can't use their home equity like an ATM for vegas vacations anymore, because the equity is gone. People aren't coming here like they were, and that will
continue
3.) Big slowdown in casino/hotel formation. No jobs added if no new hotels/
casinos are added.
Well, what do YOU folks think about this? Is Vegas a BAD job market now?
Are the jobs mostly low-paying sh*tty jobs that pay 10-18 dollars an hour anyway? Would Las Vegans do better to move to a city more dynamic, like Houston, Dallas, or Austin, Tex.? Or should they stay in Vegas and hope things pick up again?

[southwest1230]

BTW, salt lake city has the hottest economy in the nation now. Perhaps that might be
a good place to check out if you are a victim of the vegas RE layoffs, and don't want to work in the casinos dealing blackjack.....just a thought

[guinnessjim]

Originally Posted by southwest1230

In the only game of chance in Vegas where skill can best the house, such as card counting in Vegas(yes, some dealers deal out of 2-3 shoes, but most
just out of one), if the casino thinks you are winning too often, they will
bar you from playing, even if you weren't card counting. That's just an xcuse to get rid of the player. No, vegas isn't EXACTLY three-card-monte, and there is a modicum of skill involved in table games, but the spirit of three-card-monte remains the same. Also, many slot wins are negated for mechanical" errors. Simply, the house is there to take your money.
Vegas is just one giant casino with a municipal charter attached......and cares not for its citizens or tourists.

you are completely missing the point. first off, card counting is not a game of chance. it is a technique used to evaluate the odds of what the next card will be (or not be). and yes, if you get caught 'cheating' the casino will bar you (i personally don't think counting is cheating, as it is a skill, but that is for another discussion entirely).

but come on, really? do you think you are breaking news to us that the house is there to take people's money? anyone who plays should know that (if they don't, then they shouldn't be playing). ALL games of chance are exactly that...the player is taking a chance they will overcome the odds (which are always in the house's favor).

as for your final point: i again have to disagree. if vegas didn't care about the people who lived here (getting a little anthropomorphic here, but it is easier than citing officials, committees, etc), we wouldn't have any parks. a simple example, yet IMO, a good one. parks do the casino's no good....i pay no money directly to use any of the parks i frequent.

sure gaming runs this town....but its not the evil overlord you seem to think it is. it is a business, and of course, those in power, getting the $$$ from it will do what they can to maximize their profits (its capitalism and business). but i tire of the claim that its here to fleece people....we're all adults, we can see it for what it is...and those that like it will play it - just as those that like it here will live here. the whole premise of the thread (LV is unlivable) is a joke as there are 1million+ examples of how that is wrong (and that is giving a generous allowance for people who fro one reason or another cannot leave here).

again, i say this is not a nanny state...let people choose their own paths (be them self-destructive or not).

[dynimagelv]

Originally Posted by guinnessjim

you are completely missing the point.



again, i say this is not a nanny state...let people choose their own paths (be them self-destructive or not).

Well said as usual......anyone that thinks the Casinos pay their electric bill by payin off winners is delusional.....

They also do NOT object to paying a winner....it's good publicity.....every winner brings at least 2 new loosers.

That's the name of the game..... If you can't handle the gaming in LV then the best bet[pun intended] is to stay away.

[dynimagelv]

Originally Posted by southwest1230

This is due to two things:
1.) Real estate fall-out....all RE related occupations are dead now....perhaps 1 out of 5 folks are displaced real estate refugees now.
2.) People are struggling now nationally with RE. They can't use their home equity like an ATM for vegas vacations anymore, because the equity is gone. People aren't coming here like they were, and that will
continue
3.) Big slowdown in casino/hotel formation. No jobs added if no new hotels/
casinos are added.

You forgot a VERY important reason for the rise in unemployment here.....people wandering into the city with no job prospect and the inability to create even a semblance of a resume......We recently spent 6 weeks attempting to hire a replacement Supervisor because [despite receiving an average of 10 applications per day] we were barely able to decipher most of them.

As far as People not coming here....I disagree totally....from a perspective of direct knowledge....the occupancy rate for Las Vegas Hotels is higher then it has ever been. Our hotel [which is a downtown property] experienced 94.3% occupancy for the Month of September and we are fast approaching 97% for the month of October. [Figures that are UNHEARD of in ANY other location.]

We anticipate finishing the year out with a 91% hotel occupancy rate.

Last night I wandered out onto Fremont St...the crowds look [at 9pm] like a NY's Eve crowd.

I don't dispute some of what you said but before slamming the Casino Indrusty, please get your facts straight.....and YES Casinos do and have for the last 35 years provided [either directly or indirectly] all of my income.

ps....don't now nor have I ever gambled.....I can't count to 21 on a bj table without unzipping my fly

[sheriff]

Originally Posted by dynimagelv

You forgot a VERY important reason for the rise in unemployment here.....people wandering into the city with no job prospect and the inability to create even a semblance of a resume......We recently spent 6 weeks attempting to hire a replacement Supervisor because [despite receiving an average of 10 applications per day] we were barely able to decipher most of them.

As far as People not coming here....I disagree totally....from a perspective of direct knowledge....the occupancy rate for Las Vegas Hotels is higher then it has ever been. Our hotel [which is a downtown property] experienced 94.3% occupancy for the Month of September and we are fast approaching 97% for the month of October. [Figures that are UNHEARD of in ANY other location.]

We anticipate finishing the year out with a 91% hotel occupancy rate.

Last night I wandered out onto Fremont St...the crowds look [at 9pm] like a NY's Eve crowd.

I don't dispute some of what you said but before slamming the Casino Indrusty, please get your facts straight.....and YES Casinos do and have for the last 35 years provided [either directly or indirectly] all of my income.

ps....don't now nor have I ever gambled.....I can't count to 21 on a bj table without unzipping my fly

Regarding occupancy rates: your direct knowledge should include the knowledge of room pools---making the occupancy rate a totally insignificant number.

[dynimagelv]

Originally Posted by sheriff

Regarding occupancy rates: your direct knowledge should include the knowledge of room pools---making the occupancy rate a totally insignificant number.

If by "room Pools" you mean room blocks....in some properties that CAN skew the occ stats alightly...altho it's usually a moot point since the Casino is frequently billed for unused rooms in their 'block'.[and I as a reservations manager don't care where the money comes from.]

Wholesalers blocks normally trim 7 days out and the unused rooms are then sold to the general public at the prevailing rate....

SOME Casinos do have a "Player only" mentality where virtually every room in the house is held back for their rated players.....this is fast becoming a thing of the past.

PS....I realize that your post was based more on your desire to be obnoxious then on your knowledge. Have a wunnerful day now....heah

[guinnessjim]

Originally Posted by dynimagelv

ps....don't now nor have I ever gambled.....I can't count to 21 on a bj table without unzipping my fly

lol...nice....for both the counting and a sweet double entendre (is that spelled right?)