04-29-2013, 11:30 PM
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I got quoted roughly $4,000 from two guys to have a HVAC guy install it. Granted I have no warranty, but I could do the job for around $1,200 now that I have the tools
Wow $4000?
I was hoping I could have it installed for $1500 - $2000. I have seen the units online starting at $1000. I have a good friend who manages a lot of rental property in california, and is a talented carpenter/handyman and he told me he put one in recently and it was easy. If he lived in town I would buy one online and have him do it. Unfortunately he lives in CA.
I am relatively handy with power tools, but I think this is out of my wheel house. I was thinking to possibly hire a Mexican handyman / union electrician, who did some similar work for me before, to do it.
At $4000 the math doesn't make sense enough in the short term for me to double the budget.
Swamp cooler with a hose hanging out the window just gained some serious ground!
04-30-2013, 08:31 AM
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The units are $1000-$1500 for LG or Mitsubishi. Less if you go with no name chinese brand (I wouldn't). You'll also need an electrical disconnect, a copper lineset (depending on distance from the inside to outside unit, goes from $100+), and a plastic pad to put the outside condenser on. Also electrical wire and liquid tite electrical tubing.
The units come pre-charged for about 15-20ft lineset. If the distance between the inside unit and outside unit is further than that, you'll need an HVAC guy to add refrigerant, then you really won't be able to have a handyman guy do it.
The job isn't difficult, but there are a few places you can really screw up. At a minimum anyone doing the job needs a micron gauge and a vacuum pump. I recommend vacuum testing and pressure testing with nitrogen and bubble solution (soapy water) to make sure the connections don't leak at either the inside unit or outside unit. Once you open the valve to release the charge the outside unit is sent with, that's a one shot deal. If there is a mistake, you get to call a HVAC guy out to recharge the unit.
Also, on the interior unit, it's key that there is an obstruction free drain path for the condensed water to drain off when it's humid. The hole in the wall that the linesets and the condensed water drain has to be angled slightly down towards the outside and the drain tubing needs to have a constant slope similar to a plumbing drain, so the water can drain freely, otherwise water will accumulate and start to rust the interior coil.
Just some of the details for you. Let us know what you end up doing.
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jbov
Wow $4000?
I was hoping I could have it installed for $1500 - $2000. I have seen the units online starting at $1000. I have a good friend who manages a lot of rental property in california, and is a talented carpenter/handyman and he told me he put one in recently and it was easy. If he lived in town I would buy one online and have him do it. Unfortunately he lives in CA.
I am relatively handy with power tools, but I think this is out of my wheel house. I was thinking to possibly hire a Mexican handyman / union electrician, who did some similar work for me before, to do it.
At $4000 the math doesn't make sense enough in the short term for me to double the budget.
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04-30-2013, 09:12 AM
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From experience last year, we were unable to use our swamp cooler for 6 weeks and would have dies without the air conditioning! No way you can just put in a window air unit?
04-30-2013, 12:52 PM
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Thanks for all the info WestieJeff...I will definitely keep you updated. The job is sounding prohibitively expensive due to all the other projects/improvements I have going right now.
My hope was to pay a large bill once and do it right the first time but now I am thinking of following MollieW's advice:
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From experience last year, we were unable to use our swamp cooler for 6 weeks and would have dies without the air conditioning! No way you can just put in a window air unit?
The window opens side to side but I have seen instructions online on constructing a wooden frame to accommodate a window unit in a a side opening window. Perhaps I will look deeper into that...
04-30-2013, 01:16 PM
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Look into a through the wall unit. Simply install a standard sleeve in the wall and a 220 outlet. Should be doable for under a $1000.
04-30-2013, 02:17 PM
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Look into a through the wall unit. Simply install a standard sleeve in the wall and a 220 outlet. Should be doable for under a $1000.
I will look into that as well. Why is a through wall AC unit so much cheaper and easier to install than the ductless?
Am I being shortsighted by trying to save a little money and not getting heating capabilities as well?
04-30-2013, 03:00 PM
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I will look into that as well. Why is a through wall AC unit so much cheaper and easier to install than the ductless?
Through walls are available as heat pumps so you can heat as well as cool. They are basically a variant on the window unit. Commonly used in motels and such.
Not as efficient or as flexible as a split....
04-30-2013, 04:04 PM
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Like OC said, you can get heating as well. The cheaper through wall units ($300'ish) usually don't heat. When I looked in the past, it was closer to $750 for one with heating.
The main difference is the ductless is quite a bit quieter and can be mounted differently. The ductless usually mount high on the wall, the through walls usually mount at the floor.
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I will look into that as well. Why is a through wall AC unit so much cheaper and easier to install than the ductless?
04-30-2013, 04:06 PM
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So it will cost less to install, but will cost more to run?
overwhelmed with options...
HVAC contractor coming tomorrow morning. Will update the thread with his take on the situation.
04-30-2013, 04:52 PM
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So it will cost less to install, but will cost more to run?
overwhelmed with options...
HVAC contractor coming tomorrow morning. Will update the thread with his take on the situation.
Yeah - but not enough to matter. The ductless system are very efficient and have things like variable speed compressors and fans and everything but one fan is isolated away from the point of use. I doubt it will do 20% over a through the wall.
I can't see it for a one room casita. I am presently considering replacing one of my two units with a ductless system because during most of the high heat portion of the day we really only use two small rooms. So we could cool those way down and leave the rest of the house in the high 80s.
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Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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