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Old 05-20-2014, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Bangkok, NYC, and LV
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Great link. Thanks. I'm sharing this with my political junkie friends elsewhere online. From the article:

In 2005, Utah figured out that the annual cost of E.R. visits and jail stays for homeless people was about $16,670 per person, compared to $11,000 to provide each homeless person with an apartment and a social worker.


This is Nordic model for homelessness. They already did the math, and it's simply cheaper to give the homeless a place to live. Does that satisfy our perverse "Scarlet Letter" stone-the-witches mentality? No. And that's why it won't happen in Las Vegas. Although I wish it would.
That's common sense..not only cheaper but better for society. Heck will freeze over before we do this is Vegas.

Utah is staunchly Republican too but of the I've got sense type as opposed to the burn it all down tea bagger types.
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Old 05-20-2014, 11:22 PM
 
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That's common sense..not only cheaper but better for society. Heck will freeze over before we do this is Vegas.

Utah is staunchly Republican too but of the I've got sense type as opposed to the burn it all down tea bagger types.

Well, the GOP at one time was the sensible party. It was also the intellectual party, if you can believe it. That background noise I constantly hear is Bill Buckley spinning in his grave.
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Old 05-21-2014, 05:30 AM
 
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AF life at Nellis ain't hard. I am talking about being downrange and in it. I had little trouble adjusting when I got out of the Navy. The boredom came from working in Beji, Banghdad, Kandahar, and Helmand..heck...my time at BIAP at BAF were kinda a joke as a systems analyst.

There is a big difference from being a FOBBIT sipping lattes and going to the TGIF at KAF than going outside the wire on a daily basis taking fire and returning it.
I was a convoy mechanic 2 out of the 5 times I was deployed. Lots of "excitement" and always something new. Luckily I made rank and moved up to a supervisory position. But you are right about Nellis being a piece of cake.

My only issue now with working with civialians(especially in the mines) is that I work with a lot of alcoholics. I thought my military buddies had problems...it nothing compared to my current co-workers. Almost every has had a couple of DUIs, a story about getting alcohol poisoning or still drunk at work. (All things that will get you kicked out the AF)

It's a toxic environment.
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Old 05-21-2014, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Bangkok, NYC, and LV
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I was a convoy mechanic 2 out of the 5 times I was deployed. Lots of "excitement" and always something new. Luckily I made rank and moved up to a supervisory position. But you are right about Nellis being a piece of cake.

My only issue now with working with civialians(especially in the mines) is that I work with a lot of alcoholics. I thought my military buddies had problems...it nothing compared to my current co-workers. Almost every has had a couple of DUIs, a story about getting alcohol poisoning or still drunk at work. (All things that will get you kicked out the AF)

It's a toxic environment.
The sad fact is that many people need structure and discipline an can barely hold it together.

Many of the homeless folk over indulged and made poor choices...but look at the Vegas population in general...people making 30k driving BMWs, women hooking for louboutins, people buying drugs with money they don't have, gambling beyond their means, having and fathering kids out of wedlock without the means to support them.

DO you know what the solution is to alcoholism? Stop drinking. Just dont pick up a beer or colt 45.

The litany of poor decisions made by the population writ large is astonishing. I think 1/4 of the population at Red Rock is 6 months away from being homeless.

People are animals and largely incapable of mastering their own lives...and this is why you end up on the street talking to folks who don't exist.
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Old 05-21-2014, 07:30 AM
 
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The sad fact is that many people need structure and discipline an can barely hold it together.

DO you know what the solution is to alcoholism? Stop drinking.
I guess easier said than done. I pretty much stopped drinking when I left Korea and after two of my buddies died in motorcycle crashes because of a drunk driver both times. (One of the deaths was because of both drivers were drunk)

But anyway...


I haven't been down Foremaster Lane in a while, how is the gathering in that area?
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Old 05-21-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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Old 05-21-2014, 09:28 AM
 
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Ever tried getting one of these entry-level jobs, being homeless? Today, even for one of these low-paying jobs there'll, invariably, be any number of hoops to jump thru to get one!

Back in 1972, briefly being homeless in Denver, it was a snap to go from homelessness to being employed!
Applied at a nursing home as a nursing assistant, was put to work the next day! Didn't even have the money for a uniform, no problem!

Just try that today! Today? You need to get your CNA license via schooling, and back then, it wasn't required. What else? You need a CPR card ($40), didn't need that back then! Also? You need to go have a back ground check, and tested for drugs! Didn't need that back then!

I've all but given up trying to find work, via Craigslist, for my Mexican Handyman/carpenter roommate!
He lost his truck during the Great Recession, and every job, without fail, says: Reliable transportation, car or preferably a truck! And he only has a bike! Without me, he'd be on the streets!

Do you want your grandmother taken care of by someone who did not jump through those "hoops?"

That is where we can focus the "help" we give homeless. Get them in the workforce. No free lunch. Sing for your supper. Teach a man to fish. etc. etc.

And for Scoop......All of your arguments are why people are leaving California. I have friends in Las Vegas, Colorado, Texas, New Mexico who ***** constantly about "Californication" of their town. Yeah it works. If it is so great then move/stay there.

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Old 05-21-2014, 09:54 AM
 
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And for Scoop......All of your arguments are why people are leaving California. I have friends in Las Vegas, Colorado, Texas, New Mexico who ***** constantly about "Californication" of their town. Yeah it works. If it is so great then move/stay there.
You are missing the point. It costs less, today -- right now -- to put our homeless in apartments and give them access to a social worker than it does to continue to let live on the fringes. Emergency rooms and prisons cost more. Considerably more.

All that money we're spending could be better spent. And these vets, addicts and the mentally ill who make up the lion's share of our homeless population would be better off. But the main thing to keep in mind is that we could end our homeless problem and save a lot of money doing it.

Problem is, math and empathy aren't this city's long suits.
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Old 05-21-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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You a missing the point. It costs less, today -- right now -- to put our homeless in apartments and give them access to a social worker than it does to continue to let live on the fringes. Emergency rooms and prisons cost more. Considerably more.

All that money we're spending could be better spent. And these vets, addicts and the mentally ill who make up the lion's share of our homeless population would be better off. But the main thing to keep in mind is that we could end our homeless problem and save a lot of money doing it.

Problem is, math and empathy aren't this city's long suits.
The other benefit would be public safety. Most of the city's mentally ill homeless people are harmless (except to themselves) but that is not the case with all of them. A paranoid schizophrenic, un-medicated, desperate, and out on the streets is everybody's problem.
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Old 05-21-2014, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
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The other benefit would be public safety. Most of the city's mentally ill homeless people are harmless (except to themselves) but that is not the case with all of them. A paranoid schizophrenic, un-medicated, desperate, and out on the streets is everybody's problem.
While I agree, I think the average Las Vegan only considers the homeless to be a problem if they hop over the privacy wall. So long as homeowners have a gate they can close, a good alarm system, and a gun or two, the homeless can stay downtown and be someone else's problem.

This fits their mindset that people get what they deserve in life. The downtrodden are downtrodden because of their bad choices. The wealthy are wealthy because of their good choices. There are no lucky wealthy people or unlucky homeless people. Just pull those bootstraps a little harder and everything will work out.

That's the main reason we're not going to do anything about the homeless. (I can just hear the dittoheads: Those "lib-tards" over in Utah can keep their socialist, pinko, commie, nanny-state. They're a bunch of sheeple anyway.)

Other states (and countries) can implement all the good ideas and programs that they want. For instance, we could have our own version of the Alaska Permanent Fund if we wanted it. That's a great idea -- the natural resources of a state belong to the people of that state. And they must be compensated for their resources. Great idea. But absolutely NOBODY outside of Alaska talks about doing this. (Alaska, another place not exactly famous for their nanny state mentality.)

We could put Utah's homeless program in place next year. It took next to no time for Utah to set theirs up. We don't even have to wait for the fools in Carson City to get the ball rolling. We could implement it just for Clark County and start saving money immediately.

We had every opportunity (and plenty of time) to implement health care properly. That would be a huge benefit for half the people in the valley. Instead we half-assed it the day before the deadline.

Nothing is ever going to change -- it would require an informed electorate and a free, robust press to get us out of our quagmire.
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