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Old 06-03-2015, 04:30 PM
 
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At least in the truck world, once it becomes likely it will spread like wildfire.

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While I don't think it will happen in the next 5 years as Scoop seems to think, nor the next 15 years like Thomas Frey pontificates in this article - 2 Billion Jobs To Disappear By 2030 | Future Jobs | Futurist Predictions - Futurist Speaker (by the way cabbie you might not want to read his thoughts on the second group of jobs to be eliminated) I would certainly think that within my lifetime (assuming I have 30 years or so before I go) I do believe that I will live to see much of what TM predicts that article.
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Old 06-03-2015, 06:57 PM
 
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I'm guessing you meant "Help us rid them."

This tells me you don't grasp the enormity of the problem in front of you. I have personally never been longhauled. And that's because I almost never take cabs in this town. I do elsewhere. Not here.

But you have scores of personal, first-hand long-haul anecdotes on this thread. There are hundreds elsewhere. The cab industry in Las Vegas has an awful reputation -- much like timeshare salesmen. The difference is, timeshare salesmen aren't sniveling online, "Why don't you like us. Whyyyyy?!?!?!?!?" They know why. They have trashed their own reputation so thoroughly that nobody in their right mind believes a goddamned thing that comes out of a timeshare salesman's mouth. That's just how it is.

But reputation isn't the problem you face. Your entire industry is completely, utterly, and and indelibly redundant. Cab drivers are just the next domino to fall in the industries that the Internet has irrevocably broken.

Basically, you're in the same boat that travel agents were in the 1990s. Remember those days? Prior to Internet travel booking, every town (even really small towns) had at least one travel agent. That's who you called if you wanted (or needed) to fly. Big businesses would have their own in-house travel agency.

And the reason we needed them is because they spoke the electronic gibberish that was the SABRE system. Just seeing if there were available seats looked like poorly-written FORTRAN mixed with assembly code. It was a freakin' nightmare to remember it all. Some of it is still with us -- YY class ticket prices. A lot of people know what that means to this day.



When AOL first offered EasySabre, and when the first rudimentary travel websites appeared, travel agents were all kinds of indignant. They insisted that the general public was too stupid to learn how to book a flight. And even if they could actually book a flight, the agent's experience all but guaranteed better rates. You can't compete with us, they sneered, this is what we do!

And then programmers made it so anyone could parse SABRE (which is still in use -- you buy a ticket on Kayak, it just buys the ticket for you on a SABRE system). And now we don't have travel agencies in every small town in North America anymore. Hindsight is 20-20. There are still travel agencies -- but they're the specialists. They're the ones which book sailing cruises, river cruises, safaris, trekking, and hard-to-reach places. They do round-the-world travel. But they don't book tickets from Las Vegas to Los Angeles. That's what computers are for.



I absolutely guarantee you that all the scare mongering you've done WILL come true. Some maniac Uber driver will assault a passenger. Sure, it's going to happen. But it doesn't matter. The taxi industry as we know it is done. Stick a fork in it. Uber is worth five times what every cab company in America is worth -- combined. Think about that. All those cars. All those businesses. All that hard work. Swept away by the internet in favor of a more efficient system.

Hang on as long as you can. But you may as well try to sweep the tide back with a broom. Your industry is a casualty of the Internet revolution. There will be more industries which are made utterly obsolete by technology. I guarantee that, too.

Edit -- and the speed at which the Internet is leveling whole industries is increasing. Newspapers and magazines continue to circle the drain, and it's been 25 years since their "oh, crap!" moment. Travel agencies are mostly gone. But it took about 10 years to go from a travel agent in nearly every strip mall to where we are today. What Uber did to the taxi industry it did in a matter of MONTHS. In a few years, we're look back with just a hint of nostalgia for the old days. There will still be cabs, just like there are still travel agents. Just not nearly as many as today.
yeah, all true. Most folks can see it all happening but still deny it. They just can't wrap their mind around it.

For the Sabre system, I happen to know a guy who was on a team of 6 programmers who wrote the first Sabre program for American Airlines. It was my dad. Lots of ugly code in COBOL and PL/1 or so he says. Since he worked for AA, I got to fly around free as a kid and went lots of places. And went first class a lot. Oh my, how flying has changed in the last 40 years.

The venture capitalists like to call it "disruption". Completely redoing an entire industry. A big, major industry being disrupted currently is medicine. All kinds of drugs being brought to market to keep people healthy. And it is just the beginning. Folks out there now should expect to live a LOT longer. If they can afford it.

I'm a bit surprised that dentistry hasn't gone the way of taxi driver, what with all the medical advances going on. Read Caries vaccine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia for details. A tooth decay vaccine has been in the works for many years but the push has not been there to get it done. I curse my dentist every time I'm sitting in that chair and go home and pray that some venture capitalist and microbiologist decide to really push that to make it happen.
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Old 06-03-2015, 07:16 PM
 
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Again, you sound exactly like the travel agents did in the 1990s when it became clear their days were numbered.


It's not my job to give you solutions how to save your industry. I'm telling you that it cannot be saved. In a matter of a few years, cab drivers will be like travel agents. There will still be plenty who make a living doing their job. But not nearly as many as in their heyday.

The taxi industry -- and by this I mean the cab companies which turned a blind eye to the shenanigans of their drivers -- could have postponed this by providing exemplary customer service. But look at London. Black cab drivers with "the knowledge" are universally loved by both tourists and locals. And Uber is still crushing them in London. And in a place like Las Vegas, where the industry doesn't have a good reputation in the first place? Watch how quick the market says, "See ya, hate to be ya."

Your days are numbered. Figure out a way to deal with it before the crush of unemployed cab drivers hits the streets looking for work.

As for the print industry? It's wiped out. Circling the drain. Compare any newspaper today to the same newspaper, circa 1985. Night and day.

Is it that you don't want to read this link? This is how it is going to shake out: » Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable Clay Shirky
I am in the process of moving cross country. I packed my books yesterday and threw most of them away or left them to be sold. I'm only taking 10 books with me. But my kindle account has around 500 books. I have no newspaper or magazine subscriptions but read stuff on the web constantly. Huff post, yahoo, engadget, thestreet.com. They are the newspapers and magazines of yesteryear.

The day will come when cab service will be a public service provided by city government. I look forward to using a Johnny Cab soon.
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Old 06-03-2015, 07:36 PM
 
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At least in the truck world, once it becomes likely it will spread like wildfire.
I would expect we will see manned prototype trucks on the road in the next two years. And the real thing in five. It may creep up. Manned at first then perhaps convoys with a manned lead truck. But the truck is relatively easy and can stand a very high cost. You can do it as an add on package to the existing vehicles.

The key is more in the transducers. The positioning and the smarts are pretty well here. Cheap scanning devices that work in rain and snow or do so at least in combination. Man is actually not very good...I remember once when we forced our mutual boss to let someone else drive in a driving snow storm as he was going to kill us all. He just did not realize how bad aging and years in CA had made him.

Trucks though can stand expensive devices and multiples.

Then we will have the Google mobile. That is clearly a vehicle designed for dense urban with limited performance and low cost.. That is the one coming for the LV taxi. It can't get at Uber which is more oriented to longer haul. That vehicle cannot cut it on freeways but can get you around the strip at 35 mph.
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Old 06-03-2015, 08:05 PM
 
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Default Pick your poison

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All bashing aside of drivers, the bottom line is uber is a less than honorable business model. They have changed their own rules regarding drivers split, etc. With wall st and Hollywood investment money uber along with Goldman sacs wants only to have an IPO, and fleece the average investor. Prior to uber its CEO sold pirated movies and music under the guise of file sharing. The truth about uber will eventually reveal itself but unfortunately not till after they go public.
Create a few more billionaires with Uber or support public graft and corruption with the taxi industry. Pick your poison.
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Old 06-03-2015, 08:41 PM
 
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Since edit is locked, I'll make a correction post. "likely" was supposed to be "legal".

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At least in the truck world, once it becomes likely it will spread like wildfire.
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Old 06-03-2015, 10:57 PM
 
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The military doesn't need to winch a guy down from a stratotanker to refuel planes in mid air. Truck stops will GLADLY retrofit their pumps to allow automatic dispensing to compensate for the lack of truckers that automated freight hauling will surely bring.

Anyone can see this coming from 100 miles away. This isn't something that's going to happen in the distant future. This is "five year plan" time. I'm glad I don't drive for a living. That's going the way of the horse and carriage.

So you think aircraft inflight refueling is automated and doesn't require people? LOL okay!

Hey, for all the what ifs....why not just take the teleporter? Beam me up Scoopy!



As for the creative uber drivers comment....apparently you guys are WAY out of touch with LV cabbies...there's the juggling cabbie and many of us play trivia games with the passengers etc. You guys have no clue what you're talking about. You make up strawman arguments and red herrings...
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Old 06-03-2015, 11:25 PM
 
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Why is it that everyone who doesn't have a CLUE how to debate immediately levels charges of "straw man" when unable to make any points using facts?

If you haven't noticed, it is essentially "all the regular users" vs. three of you. And all three of you are in the same line of work. I submit that all three of you are willfully blind to the facts -- which are about to hit your industry like an automated freight train.
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Old 06-03-2015, 11:34 PM
 
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Have you polled AL REGULAR USERS or just you couple that had that one ride one time and are still whining about it years later?
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Old 06-04-2015, 05:35 AM
 
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Why is it that everyone who doesn't have a CLUE how to debate immediately levels charges of "straw man" when unable to make any points using facts?

If you haven't noticed, it is essentially "all the regular users" vs. three of you. And all three of you are in the same line of work. I submit that all three of you are willfully blind to the facts -- which are about to hit your industry like an automated freight train.
You have never stated any fact. Only opinion and speculation. You think Millions of tourists wanting to use UBER to take them from the the Venetion to the Wynn is fact and all you have to back it up is that you REALLY want it to be true. It's just a lack of common sense.
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