[lvoc]

Originally Posted by LasVegasPlayer

Who knows what to believe. This Bloomberg article says:



There are a bunch of articles that say that number is 48.7%, surely all parroting the same study.

Edit: I see why your number is so off. You're quoting Medicare, not Medicaid. Those aren't the same thing.

Medicaid is the welfare medical program. Medicare is the senior citizen one.

The main single payer suggestion to fix the system is to extend Medicare to everyone. Medicare is not perfect by the way..but it is functional.

[LasVegasPlayer]

Originally Posted by lvoc

Medicaid is the welfare medical program. Medicare is the senior citizen one.

The main single payer suggestion to fix the system is to extend Medicare to everyone. Medicare is not perfect by the way..but it is functional.

Medicare pays doctors better and those patients often have supplemental insurance. It is much more widely accepted. As the stats you posted note, it is accepted by nearly twice as many doctors than Medicaid. They are two entirely different programs and are in no way similar beyond both being government programs.

[NLVgal]

Originally Posted by LasVegasPlayer

I don't believe that it is true that most doctors take Medicaid. All hospitals do, at least for emergency care, but doctors often refuse it as a payment option. A Google search shows that less than half of private practices accept it.

Medicare. Different than Medicaid.

Almost every doctor takes it. If they don't, it's usually because they have been restricted from doing so.

[StinkieMcCain]

cant believe you all think aca was about improving healthcare. IT was about transforming usa into socialism.

[EA]

Originally Posted by StinkieMcCain

cant believe you all think aca was about improving healthcare. IT was about transforming usa into socialism.

No, the word you are looking for is oligopoly. The republicans and democrats, both backed by insurance company lobby money, introduced and passed obamacare, which forces us to pay insurance companies for services. It's collusion, corruption, and wrong.

Please, please learn the definition of socialism and communism before rampantly tossing them around.

[StinkieMcCain]

which R voted for obamacare?

[EA]

Originally Posted by StinkieMcCain

which R voted for obamacare?

The republicans were paid to keep regulations to a minimum. The democrats were paid to get it passed. Obama was paid to sign it.
Don't just take my word, look up where insurance companies spent their "donation" money.

Health care interests spent hundreds of millions of dollars - Sep. 8, 2009

[StinkieMcCain]

Originally Posted by EA

The republicans were paid to keep regulations to a minimum. The democrats were paid to get it passed. Obama was paid to sign it.
Don't just take my word, look up where insurance companies spent their "donation" money.

Health care interests spent hundreds of millions of dollars - Sep. 8, 2009

Enjoy paying higher premiums for less service!


My recollection was obama let STUpak ride Air Force 1 to get his vote for the bill, promising that abortion coverage would not be part of the bill.


Mr Stupid said hell yeah thasts a good trade..................hahahaha.

[EA]

I do not see how you surmised that I was happy about Obamacare. I thought I was quite clear about my disdain for it.

Your recollection is quite lacking. If you've never looked into it, then you'll, of course, have no recollection of it. Funny how that works. That is why I suggested you look into it. I even provided a starting point.
It's just too bad that America is full of fact-resistant humans.

[qingguy]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

And I reiterate:

I have yet to hear from anyone who had a good (as in "my-fair-share") insurance plan who hates this current system.

What am I, chopped liver? I paid my-fair-share, and if you lump in my other taxes paid that supposedly were going to healthcare entitlements I pay far more than the average tax payer.

I think my position has evolved over time or maybe I've learned to live with the increased premiums. This latest increase is .006 of my annual income, will it change how we live our lives, no, but it's how this whole thing was sold and I do mean sold to the American people and the hoops it's now created that I have to jump through every year that gets under my skin. In prior years, we received our annual premium notice (usually rising about 5%), I grumbled for 10 seconds and we moved on. NOW I get the cancellation notice and:

• I see the much larger premium and calculate the increase (%) and grumble longer than 10 seconds
• I have to review the two new plans they're recommending which is not easy, it's like reading your damn cell phone bill but worse.
• Compare new plans against my current coverage, e.g. Rx, deductibles, max out of pockets, labs - after the first policy we had was canceled even thought we were told by POTUS we could keep it if we liked it my wife had lab work done, went to the lab she'd been going to and then we received a bill as Quest wasn't covered under our new policy, had to be Labcorp so we got to pay close to $1,000 worth of labs out of pocket
• Have to check and see if my current Dr. is on this plan
• Call our agent and have him look at other plans for me. He sends over plans that he recommends and I review them (see above)
• Select plan
• If we have to select a new primary care physician (this has happened twice so far) we do that and register him/her with the new plan so we can actually see a Dr., btw I've learned women don't like changing OBGYNs at the drop of a hat. Can I get an Amen ladies?
• Call old physician and ask that all medical records be transferred to new physician
• On annual check-up bring new Dr. up to speed on health history.
• Go to pharmacy to pick-up prescription only to be told my insurance isn't going through. Of course it isn't the plan/carrier has changed. Pay for prescription out of pocket because I need prescription and enter into hassle of getting reimbursed from insurance company because I paid out of pocket due to not receiving new insurance cards in a timely manner. Probably because they're having to send out millions because a higher than usual number of plans were canceled.

These are only the steps that I can remember while I type this. A little upsetting when we were told, June 6, 2009 President's weekly address: "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold."

So what am I doing about this other than sitting on here and bitching? I'm putting my time and money where my mouth is. I'm going to get behind candidates who commit to reform the ACA. I say reform as I don't thing repeal is a good idea as there are people who legitimately need this. Personally, what seems to work for me and others in my position, tax me with a legitimate tax not this bull**** and let me do what I want with my coverage. Enough of the rotating insurance plans, honestly, three plans in three years, really?