[LV10101]

Yes he asked why he isn't allowed to walk in a gated neighborhood while anyone can walk in his non-gated neighborhood. The conversation moved to the pluses and negatives of gated neighborhoods, including crime rates. Giving data that compares a gated neighborhood in one part of the city to another non-gated neighborhood in a different part of the city really doesn't help. Comparing any neighborhood, gated or not, to another neighborhood in a different part of town is going to come up with different crime statistics. The idea of comparing a gated neighborhood to the area immediately outside the gated neighborhood makes more sense when you are comparing if one is safer than the other. Again not sure how someone could believe a gated neighborhood is less safe than a non gated neighborhood in the same area is quite frankly surprising. Again the statistics and studies have already been mentioned on this thread.

[vtvette]

Originally Posted by LV10101

vtvette...To believe they aren't loaded is either foolish or having a stereotypical thought of a security officer. Why wouldn't they be loaded. Do police officers have unloaded guns? Also saying "god help them if there is an accident", god help anyone that has a firearms accident. I think your post shows little faith in these officers.

My post was questioning the ability of a security guard to carry a loaded firearm while on the job which in out sue happy society is not a foolish question at all.

Do you really believe it's the security guards discretion or competency that determines whether they are allowed to carry a firearm?

[vtvette]

Originally Posted by LV10101

Again not sure how someone could believe a gated neighborhood is less safe than a non gated neighborhood in the same area is quite frankly surprising. Again the statistics and studies have already been mentioned on this thread.

Here's why:

These gates use simple RF based signals.

A cheap USB TV dongle with the correct RTL/SDR radio to read the code transmitted by any vehicle entering and an amplified colpitts oscillator (remember those from High School science class?) connected to a discovery board to transmit the recorded signal and viola! Instant reader/transmitter!

About $20 total in parts from Keisub Electronics.

Of course, it's easier to just follow a car in

Once inside, police rarely if ever patrol gated communities. Unless the community has it's own patrol you're home free.

[LV10101]

vtvette...How can you question a trained (in most companies) security officer carrying a gun when a untrained (in most circumstances) citizen can freely carry a gun??? Second if you live in Las Vegas you would realize we have a lot of armed security officers here in Las Vegas...look around, casinos, gated communities, etc. When it comes to determining if a security officer carries a gun that would be up to the company they work for. Again the company has a duty to make sure the officer is competent to carry and use the weapon. In some settings, like casinos, there are armed and unarmed positions, so there are options.

In response to your gated neighborhood comment...most criminals are not going to take the time to get a transmitter and break in to a gated community. You are also missing the fact if even they don't have a manned gate there are most likely cameras that will record the vehicle and plate number. Yes you can follow a car in but still recorded on a security camera, adding the the increase chances you will be caught. Think like a criminal, why would you do all this to break in to a home in a gated community when you can much easier break in to a home in a non-gated community...simple logic. Again the statistics and studies show a decrease in property crimes within a gated community...not sure what more to tell you.

Also do you live in a gated community? In mine the police and security both patrol the neighborhood. The majority of homes in this gated community are high end and alarmed. You assume a lot.

[BBMW]

Given that there are much more unarmed guards than armed, there's no reason to have a guard appear to be armed but not have the weapon available to be used if a life threatening confrontation occurred. From what I've seen, the vast majority of casino security is unarmed.

As far as the liability issue, there's be less liability with unarmed guards, than "fake" armed guards. And the discretion is with the security company, and whoever hires them. I'm sure it's the customer's option to have armed or unarmed, and I"m sure they pay more for armed.

Originally Posted by vtvette

My post was questioning the ability of a security guard to carry a loaded firearm while on the job which in out sue happy society is not a foolish question at all.

Do you really believe it's the security guards discretion or competency that determines whether they are allowed to carry a firearm?

[BBMW]

Someone who's capable of doing this is likely capable of making more money, either legally or illegal, in other, less risky, ways.

Originally Posted by vtvette

Here's why:

These gates use simple RF based signals.

A cheap USB TV dongle with the correct RTL/SDR radio to read the code transmitted by any vehicle entering and an amplified colpitts oscillator (remember those from High School science class?) connected to a discovery board to transmit the recorded signal and viola! Instant reader/transmitter!

About $20 total in parts from Keisub Electronics.

Of course, it's easier to just follow a car in

Once inside, police rarely if ever patrol gated communities. Unless the community has it's own patrol you're home free.

[Raiderman]

Originally Posted by LV10101

So there was only the three crimes during the whole years inside and outside that gated community? Can you give me the area the gated community is located in?

Sure, The Legacy and Grand Legacy in Henderson. If you look N of Wigwam between Green Valley Parkway and Valle Verde, that is inside the gates. S of Wigwam is the ungated neighborhood.

[vtvette]

Well reading through this thread I have to say I got sucked into an idiotic argument that brought this thread way off track and downhill from any meaningful content.

My apologies to tijlover for ruining your thread and to anyone else who came here looking for meaningful dialog only to find this train wreck I uncharacteristically got caught up and, willingly participated in.

[LV10101]

Originally Posted by Raiderman

Sure, The Legacy and Grand Legacy in Henderson. If you look N of Wigwam between Green Valley Parkway and Valle Verde, that is inside the gates. S of Wigwam is the ungated neighborhood.

Raiderman...I looked at Henderson Crime Mapper for the Legacy and Grand Legacy. Here's what I found;
Inside the gates:
Burglary: 3
Assault: 1

Outside the gates (between I-215 to the South / Robindale to the North / Pecos to the West / Arroyo Grande Blvd to the East:
Burglary: 12
Robbery: 2
Assault: 4
Sex assault: 1
Narcotics: 6
Motor vehicle theft: 2

If you compare crimes inside the gates at Legacy and Grand Legacy to the surrounding neighborhoods it is clear there is far less crime inside the gates.

[Raiderman]

Originally Posted by LV10101

Raiderman...I looked at Henderson Crime Mapper for the Legacy and Grand Legacy. Here's what I found;
Inside the gates:
Burglary: 3
Assault: 1

Outside the gates (between I-215 to the South / Robindale to the North / Pecos to the West / Arroyo Grande Blvd to the East:
Burglary: 12
Robbery: 2
Assault: 4
Sex assault: 1
Narcotics: 6
Motor vehicle theft: 2

If you compare crimes inside the gates at Legacy and Grand Legacy to the surrounding neighborhoods it is clear there is far less crime inside the gates.

Alert ID isn't showing half of those. I was also looking at the area across from the gated community, not casting as wide of a net, as you're including quite a bit of commercial property in there, as well as apartment complexes on GVP that are past the boundaries of Legacy. Look inside this box for a true comparison: 215 to the south / Wigwam to the North / Green Valley Parkway to the West, and Valle Verde to the East. That will give you a mirror image of the Legacy community.