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Old 07-29-2015, 02:51 AM
 
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I wish that Caesars can get past this restructuring very soon and get back to business.
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Old 07-29-2015, 02:55 AM
 
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I wish that Caesars can get past this restructuring very soon and get back to business.
Just remember that this group that calls itself Caesars was actually Harrah's. One of the ****tiest properties on the strip. It's owned by an investment group, not a gaming family.
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Old 07-29-2015, 03:47 AM
 
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Just remember that this group that calls itself Caesars was actually Harrah's. One of the ****tiest properties on the strip. It's owned by an investment group, not a gaming family.
I am aware of who they are. Where they come from and who owns it. There is no single or family ownership on the strip anymore except for Phil Ruffin owning TI. Wynn and Adelson both have their share of majority partners. I don't want to see MGM dominating the industry here in Vegas.
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Old 07-29-2015, 07:00 AM
 
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If you read your post from the bottom up, I think you answer your own quandry:

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If they looked at the gambling racket (and it most certainly is a racket) objectively, they'd find more useful ways to squander their money.
The point is, its THEIR money, to squander, save, spend, give away, eat as they see fit. Those people who love to gamble probably wouldn't think paying $100 for a meal was very smart either, when could spend $5 at am/pm, and enjoy the other $95 doing what they enjoy. After all, the end result of either meal is still expressed into the sewer.


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I have come to the conclusion that the only reason people bother to gamble (as opposed to playing a computer game which does the exact same thing) is that the casino treats them like a big shot. They get "free" drinks, and comps, and whatever else the casino feels like throwing their way. And all the gamblers have to do in return is gamble -- the more they play, the more they lose, the more freebies they get.
First, re-read the concept that it's THEIR money. As long as it's their money, they should get to feel however they want when they spend it. And secondly, I think without realizing it, you've answered part of your eternal question as to why they don't just play on their computer. There is more to going somewhere and gambling than the game play. The customer treatment is probably just a small part of the whole answer, but that is certainly something you might be able to hold onto, and may help your viewpoint become a little more understanding of why people enjoy casinos.
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Old 07-29-2015, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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I've never found any of the loyalty programs the dominating factor in where I place my loyalty as a tourist. I know that my value to the resort is only as deep as required to get me in the door the next time. The property I frequent comps rooms, F&B, cabanas, show tickets, shopping "sprees" and cash back (of course in match play or slot credits). I am pretty sure I could insert any players club name and see similar benefits. 8 years ago, at a much, much lower level of play, I routinely received far better offers.

So, Jonathan, your friend may find a better loyalty deal at another property, but I think it will level out once the newness wears off. A good analogy is airline loyalty programs. In the past 3 years, the major carriers have hacked away every good and easy way to gain status. I took a match offer from one carrier and within a month, they had re-tooled their program to almost identical crappy earning rules as my old carrier. I am no longer a business traveler, but I flew more miles, more often last year, spent 30% more, and lost status....

Please folks, understand the charade of comps and loyalty programs--it is not a reward for you. If you recognize what it really is, and accept that you are a lab rat in their marketing maze, you can have fun with one eye open. Take everything they offer, because you paid for it.

Not everyone who gambles is a mindless, sedentary, delusional addict. A few weeks ago I walked into Beau Rivage in Biloxi and 2 hours later walked out with two cashier checks totaling $57k. I walked across the street to my room at the 2-star, older Best Western and went to sleep. Within 24 hours, the winnings were distributed to savings and investment accounts (and my tax escrow for Uncle Sam) and I was hanging 100 lf of crown moulding for my mother in FL. I drove past at least 10 casinos before I made it home...did not stop at one.

I know what I am doing and I still don't mind when someone criticizes my play or waxes prosaic on the uselessness of gambling--it is pretty much useless, but I enjoy it--along with other things that may or may not have tangible benefits.
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Old 07-29-2015, 08:50 AM
 
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I'm well aware that being anti-gambling in a Las Vegas forum isn't a particularly popular position."
It has NOTHING to do with popularity. The posts are preachy and narrow-minded is all. You have ascribed your limited, and mostly inaccurate viewpoint onto people that enjoy themselves gambling in casinos. You have attempted to make them all out as dolts and wannabe big shots.



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I have come to the conclusion that the only reason people bother to gamble (as opposed to playing a computer game which does the exact same thing) is that the casino treats them like a big shot. They get "free" drinks, and comps, and whatever else the casino feels like throwing their way. And all the gamblers have to do in return is gamble -- "
Not surprisingly, you have drawn an incorrect conclusion. There are many people that gamble that don't drink at all, and many others who don't use a players card either. People gambled in casinos long before there were players cards. Using your logic, one could say that you have bought into the city data rewards/reputation program, and are only posting here 9000 times to be a big shot or get points.

If people are gambling and relaxing (and usually losing money) that is their choice, your description of these people is derogatory, and judgmental, and doesn't need to permeate threads that it doesn't pertain to. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 07-29-2015, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain for good
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I have come to the conclusion that the only reason people bother to gamble (as opposed to playing a computer game which does the exact same thing) is that the casino treats them like a big shot. They get "free" drinks, and comps, and whatever else the casino feels like throwing their way. And all the gamblers have to do in return is gamble -- the more they play, the more they lose, the more freebies they get.

If they looked at the gambling racket (and it most certainly is a racket) objectively, they'd find more useful ways to squander their money.

If my posts are hitting some people too close to the mark, tough. I'm well aware that being anti-gambling in a Las Vegas forum isn't a particularly popular position. But maybe people will read this -- even years after I leave, and have an "Eureka moment."
So, How much has your computer screen thrown your way for all your time? Nothing? What a waste of time and effort.
I'll have to be comforted knowing I get free rooms, free drinks, free food and free entertainment for my waste of time.

And hey, I have you, ScoopPoopupinLV, to thank for pointing out I'm 20% 'better' than your less than average existence. I think I just had a "Eureka moment"
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Old 07-29-2015, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
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It has NOTHING to do with popularity. The posts are preachy and narrow-minded is all. You have ascribed your limited, and mostly inaccurate viewpoint onto people that enjoy themselves gambling in casinos. You have attempted to make them all out as dolts and wannabe big shots.
If the shoe fits...

If people want to play against a random number generator -- doesn't matter which game -- they can do so without enriching the people and companies who own the casinos. Because those are the only real winners in the gambling business.

I remember one of these ridiculous gambling threads where a long-gone user compared gambling to investing. "The difference is that investors tend to win over the long term and gamblers tend to lose over the long term." I don't think he realized how dumb that sounds until long after he hit the "send" button. Never saw much of that guy after he had his "ah-ha" moment.

The same people who demand that eating quality food and eating crap food is identical because they both end up the same place can't seem wrap their heads around losing money in a casino vs. losing nothing playing against a phone or tablet. I find this odd because it is the GO-TO argument of why gambling is something other than a colossal waste of time and money. "It's just like over spending on food!" That's great. I likely spend less on food than anyone here. I just eat better than most because I know what I'm doing.

And to the people who had a big score at one time or another. That's great. Good for you. Seriously. It's better to win than to lose. But it's easy to see that all those "temples to the ignorance about probability" on the Las Vegas Strip were not built with money from all those winners.

Just enough people win so that there is an illusion of "fun and excitement." Casinos don't suggest help for the problem gambler until these problem gamblers have hit rock bottom. Gotta squeeze every dime out of them first. THEN suggest counseling for their addiction. How precious.

Casinos don't let anyone at the director level or above play any of their games. Some resorts don't let them gamble at all -- not even at competing properties. They don't want their top executives spiraling into addiction. It's bad for business.

That should be enough to put any thoughtful person off on gambling for life.
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Old 07-29-2015, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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Why do you care?
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Old 07-29-2015, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
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For the same reason I post on this silly forum -- a Quixotic desire to see my surroundings improve.
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