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We don't have an opera company to compare to Cleveland. We also don't have a modern art museum. We're not a college town. We don't have major league sports. Even when casinos run Broadway shows, they always cut large chunks out because their clientele isn't mature enough to sit still through "Phantom" for a couple hours.
And yet you claim our culture is "advanced?"
When your city's culture compares poorly to Cleveland, you are not living in a culturally-advanced city. We have a better climate than Cleveland -- provided the resident prefers heat to snow. But for the person who doesn't get wasted every day before noon, doesn't smoke, and doesn't gamble -- there is damned little to do within the valley. And if people's only real outlet is to travel outside the valley, why live here in the first place? The Smith Center is nice -- but MOST CITIES have multiple Smith Centers. And they have since before Las Vegas had paved roads.
Las Vegas appeals mainly to rubes, hicks and dumb-asses. Branson with gambling, basically.
We don't have an opera company to compare to Cleveland. We also don't have a modern art museum. We're not a college town. We don't have major league sports. Even when casinos run Broadway shows, they always cut large chunks out because their clientele isn't mature enough to sit still through "Phantom" for a couple hours.
And yet you claim our culture is "advanced?"
When your city's culture compares poorly to Cleveland, you are not living in a culturally-advanced city. We have a better climate than Cleveland -- provided the resident prefers heat to snow. But for the person who doesn't get wasted every day before noon, doesn't smoke, and doesn't gamble -- there is damned little to do within the valley. And if people's only real outlet is to travel outside the valley, why live here in the first place? The Smith Center is nice -- but MOST CITIES have multiple Smith Centers. And they have since before Las Vegas had paved roads.
Las Vegas appeals mainly to rubes, hicks and dumb-asses. Branson with gambling, basically.
Our snob quotient is quite low. Those who have trouble seeing because of their erect nose will likely not be happy. But in terms of culture Las Vegas is a gem.
Las Vegas is vastly better than Cleveland or any of the rust belt cities. And these rust belt cities do not have better facilities than Las Vegas...they are grossly inferior and simply vacant most of the time. The existance of an edifice does not create culture;.. You have to use them.
The theatrical and musical quality of Las Vegas is equalled only by the huge cities. Neither Cleveland nor any place similar is within miles.
This utter lack of understanding of culture is mind blowing. You really think people don't come here for the shows and the music? Sure some come to gamble or drink or have sex. But lots come to participate in business and technology and enjoy the readily available culture. When I was a regular the complaint was always that we did not gamble...being tech geeks we knew better...but we certainly enjoyed the rest of the Vegas culture.
"The theatrical and musical quality of Las Vegas is equalled [sic] only by the huge cities."
Are you seriously suggesting that Las Vegas is the equal of New York or London? I wonder what you're on if that's your reality. It certainly isn't my reality.
You say Las Vegas is a "gem" of culture. Okaaaaayyyy. I'll meet you at our post-modern art museum -- my treat. And then I'll also spring for front-row seats on the 50-yard line for our NFL team. Finally, I'll buy the tickets for the opera house. Maybe next week I'll spring for tickets to a David Mamet play.
We have Cirque and classic rock in abundance. But that doesn't make us a "gem." Without Cirque and classic rock shows, we have very little for a city of two million.
"The theatrical and musical quality of Las Vegas is equalled [sic] only by the huge cities."
Are you seriously suggesting that Las Vegas is the equal of New York or London? I wonder what you're on if that's your reality. It certainly isn't my reality.
You say Las Vegas is a "gem" of culture. Okaaaaayyyy. I'll meet you at our post-modern art museum -- my treat. And then I'll also spring for front-row seats on the 50-yard line for our NFL team. Finally, I'll buy the tickets for the opera house. Maybe next week I'll spring for tickets to a David Mamet play.
We have Cirque and classic rock in abundance. But that doesn't make us a "gem." Without Cirque and classic rock shows, we have very little for a city of two million.
Branson with gambling, that's Las Vegas.
Nope. London and New York and LA exceed Las Vegas. But virtually no where else does.
OK Let us do the football game in Los Angeles. And let's go see O in New York? How about visiting the Ghetty in London?
Classic Rock and Cirque and Musicals are a fine start...and the Smith fills it in.
Siimply too low a snob quotient for those with the erect noses.
Funny, I just can't equate a professional sports team with "culture". All a professional sports team brings in are rich, greedy owners; newly rich, poorly educated (regardless of the diploma they may have), spoiled, immature professional sports players; and drunk, rowdy "fans" who seem to think that they actually have an influence on the outcome of the game, and who like to beat up someone because they don't share the same "love" of the team they do. And if you're really unlucky, a bought off city council that is more than happy to raise taxes to subsidize the professional circus and it's opulent playing fields.
Where is the "culture" in that? Is that whole thing really that much better than the casinos? Is that what you want to "rally" around and build your identity around? If so, be my guest, but don't expect someone to consider you "cultured" because you're a football/baseball/basketball fan. Quite the contrary, I think the common stereotype is that is just blue collar time/money wasting, get drunk on overly expensive beer territory.
Some people actually see the lack of a professional sports team to be a big plus, even if they are sports fans.
More BS stacked deeper. If you have sources cite them. KPIs are almost exclusively a European construct dealing with green urban planning.
In most things LV is in the middle of the pack. It leads in things like climate and does poorly in things like K-12 Education. But overall it ranks in the middle well superior to most rust belt cities.
It is culturally well advanced. Not just Smith Center but the shows of Cirque and others...which are culturally world class. And the other shows and exhibits of LV which are unequalled anywhere save perhaps the huge cities. While snobs may denigrate it the shows of Las Vegas are culturally significant and important...and beat the heck out of opera in Cleveland.
Vice such as prostitution is widely available in major cities and is not significantly different in Las Vegas other than the fact we are a huge tourist city. I continually hear of the billboards of Las Vegas featuring strip joints and escort services. Ever actually look to see how many there are? In fact virtually none of the I15 billboards deal with them...and even the rolling billboards invented by the sex industry are mostly used by other industries today.
I am sorry but I can't debate with you. KPIs are a not a euro construct. Let's just place each other on ignore and be polite because I don't think we speak the same language.
We do agree that Cleveland would not be on either of our top 40 places to live.
We don't have an opera company to compare to Cleveland. We also don't have a modern art museum. We're not a college town. We don't have major league sports. Even when casinos run Broadway shows, they always cut large chunks out because their clientele isn't mature enough to sit still through "Phantom" for a couple hours.
And yet you claim our culture is "advanced?"
When your city's culture compares poorly to Cleveland, you are not living in a culturally-advanced city. We have a better climate than Cleveland -- provided the resident prefers heat to snow. But for the person who doesn't get wasted every day before noon, doesn't smoke, and doesn't gamble -- there is damned little to do within the valley. And if people's only real outlet is to travel outside the valley, why live here in the first place? The Smith Center is nice -- but MOST CITIES have multiple Smith Centers. And they have since before Las Vegas had paved roads.
Las Vegas appeals mainly to rubes, hicks and dumb-asses. Branson with gambling, basically.
vegas is a place where you earn your living with your body via labor as opposed to earning it with your mind and ideas. It is a blue collar clock in clock out kind of city....not a darn thing wrong with that save it's harder to make a living that way anymore.
What's app, the free global texting app, is worth more than American Airlines with over a 1000 aircraft. Vegas can't thrive in that type of idea/thought leader environment.
Funny, I just can't equate a professional sports team with "culture". All a professional sports team brings in are rich, greedy owners; newly rich, poorly educated (regardless of the diploma they may have), spoiled, immature professional sports players; and drunk, rowdy "fans" who seem to think that they actually have an influence on the outcome of the game, and who like to beat up someone because they don't share the same "love" of the team they do. And if you're really unlucky, a bought off city council that is more than happy to raise taxes to subsidize the professional circus and it's opulent playing fields.
Where is the "culture" in that? Is that whole thing really that much better than the casinos? Is that what you want to "rally" around and build your identity around? If so, be my guest, but don't expect someone to consider you "cultured" because you're a football/baseball/basketball fan. Quite the contrary, I think the common stereotype is that is just blue collar time/money wasting, get drunk on overly expensive beer territory.
Some people actually see the lack of a professional sports team to be a big plus, even if they are sports fans.
Who are these people you speak of? If you dont want to attend a game thats perfectly fine, but not having a team around completely blows up your theory. When the playoffs start in a city with a team participating the city usually gets pretty excited and even casual fans get involved. In Vegas the playoffs begin and only a few diehards really care, the rest of the city talks about who they are betting on or what ticket they will cash if so and so wins. Yeah sure its the same.
Who are these people you speak of? If you dont want to attend a game thats perfectly fine, but not having a team around completely blows up your theory. When the playoffs start in a city with a team participating the city usually gets pretty excited and even casual fans get involved. In Vegas the playoffs begin and only a few diehards really care, the rest of the city talks about who they are betting on or what ticket they will cash if so and so wins. Yeah sure its the same.
Which people? You mean the rich greedy owners? Ever hear of Frank McCourt <sp>? and how he effed up the one proud Dodger organization? How about a guy named Brian Stow <again sp>? You know the one that was beaten senseless because he supported the Dodgers at home vs. the Giants? I'm sure you've heard about the immature players like Terrell Owens, Ray Rice, Ray Lewis, Aaron Hernandez, and countless others who think they are above the law? Yeah, nice additions to a "cultured" city.
I'm a sports fan..love most of them, but unless I'm on the field, playing, I learned a long time ago, who wins or loses has no impact on who I am. It may be "fun" to root for a team, and all that jazz, but it's definitely NOT culture. It is definitely "entertainment", which is a primary Las Vegas industry, and some seem to discount it for that. Perhaps you ought to get all excited when the WSOP comes to town, and wear jerseys of the poker table? It would be essentially the same exact thing.
I'm not anti-sports by any means, but call it what it is, and "culture", it is not!
I'm not anti-sports by any means, but call it what it is, and "culture", it is not!
It most certainly is culture. It's not "high culture." But it's part of our cultural experience. An American city without baseball and football would be like a European city without soccer.
Whinge about the greedy owners all you want -- big-league sports brings big-league dollars into the city. That's why taxpayers roll over and subsidize stadiums (which I am completely against, by the way). They don't want the economic loss that moving the team would cause.
Is sports the opera, ballet, or modern art? No. Of course not. But opera isn't the NFL or MLB, either.
Any resident who cannot see the enormous voids in our culture simply isn't paying attention, or is essentially a shill for the city.
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