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Old 03-29-2016, 11:16 PM
 
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As for getting from your front door to your gate, the new technology will bring a new term: 'distance insensitive'. Basically this means that everything will relate to time, not distance. If you could move at 180 mph (3 miles a minute), the 30 miles from the from the Ivanpah site could be covered in 10 minutes. You would still have 5 minutes to turn yourself in the next $900,000 winner.
This still won't be as convenient as living 8 miles from the airport. (And not having to listen to any of it is the icing on the cake. But from a safety standpoint, it's impossible to put a commercial airplane over my house in any heading other than "straight down." I have Frenchman's Mountain as my linebacker.)

It's a safety risk to have our airport smack-dab in the middle of our commercial district, and within "oh, crap" distance of most of our residential.

But don't kid yourself that a new airport in the middle of nowhere will be more convenient. Safer? Hell yes. But not more convenient.
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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...don't kid yourself that a new airport in the middle of nowhere will be more convenient. Safer? Hell yes. But not more convenient.
Scoop.
I'm not kidding myself nor am I beating the drum that says it will be "more convenient". 10 minutes away is hardly 'the middle of nowhere' or inconvenient. Health/safety issues aside, there are a lot of things logistically and technically wrong with McCarran. It's the albatross around Vegas' neck that, when removed, will allow a marginal city to become great.
The thing of it is, most of the world's great airports have not only moved, but unlike Denver, which relocated to a vacant Strip of prairie, went to great pains and great expense just to lay their foundations. Two examples are Hong Kong and Tokyo, which actually created the land in their harbors, then built infrastructure to get to it. Denver had to level the land and build a multi-million dollar access road: ours is a dry lake bed, already there but for the paving. It even has an interstate highway running right to its doorstep. For heavens sake, what more (or less) could we ask?
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Old 03-30-2016, 09:37 AM
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This guy ^ does not seem to understand Vegas at all.
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Old 03-30-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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Comparing LV to HK (airport-wise) is actively silly. HK is a huge city that had a ridiculously small, single runway airport (Kai Tak), it DESPERATELY needed expanded airport capacity.

And even as it currently stands LAS has more gates and runways than HKG has currently.

As far as Tokyo goes they did what LV was looking to do before the crash, build a second airport, Narita. Of course, that didn't work out all that well. And, while I can't get a gate count on Haneda, in size, it's pretty similar to LAS, and that's after a significant expansion.
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Old 03-30-2016, 11:13 AM
 
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^Comparing LV to HK (airport-wise) is actively silly.
OK, don't compare McCarran to Hong Kong or Tokyo. Compare it to Stapleton. Keeping it where it is not just actively silly, it's actively stupid.
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Old 03-30-2016, 11:15 AM
 
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This guy does not seem to understand Vegas at all.
Vegas is about sex and money. What more is there to understand?
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Old 03-30-2016, 12:12 PM
 
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There just isn't any consensus that it needs to move. While It would be nice to be able to redevelop that land so close to the strip, it's just never going to happen. They'll build a one or two runway relief airport out an Ivanpah, and leave it at that.

And as far as DIA, Stapleton being over capacity may have been the excuse but not the reason.

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OK, don't compare McCarran to Hong Kong or Tokyo. Compare it to Stapleton. Keeping it where it is not just actively silly, it's actively stupid.
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Old 03-30-2016, 01:15 PM
 
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D/FW is probably a better example. And it shows the original airport does not go away when it offers convenience. In the case of Las Vegas McCarran will remain dominant probably forever.

The safety thing is absurd. Airline flying is sufficiently safe that safe that the risk is negligible compared to other causes of urban death and injury.
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Henderson
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McCarran airport looks very safe as an airport when you compare it to the Hong Kong airport. You can almost reach down and touch the houses when you land at HK.
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Old 03-30-2016, 02:53 PM
 
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Not any more. You're thinking of the old airport (Kai Tak.) That closed a while ago now. The new one, Chek Lap Kok is in the middle of the harbor, on a semi-artificial Island. No more hair raising approach over the city, flying straight at a mountain, and turning on final at just he last second.

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McCarran airport looks very safe as an airport when you compare it to the Hong Kong airport. You can almost reach down and touch the houses when you land at HK.
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