[MCOWPB]

I actually don't see it that way at all. Continually sanders gets a free pass on stuff like his abhorrent record on gun control, his sloppy off messaging, and now bending the truth a little on his fossil fuel attack on Hillary. She could have bitten back with a slam at him getting plenty of money from the defense industry. But she knows he can't control that either.

Sanders is a media darling. He goes unchallenged by most. Hillary continues to be a villain - fairness be damned.

I also think the innuendo about her being involved in voter fraud is absolute bull absence of some hard proof.

I mean seriously this is the way liberals are acting this time around? Better to figure out why we are allowing congress to do nothing about the voting rights act being neutered which has caused so many problems in red states across this country. That's where the focus should be. Not once again on your favorite human punching bag. That's not a revolution, that's actually - ironically - just as much of a sheeptastic thing to do, trusting that every nefarious thing you hear about Clinton is true. Take it from me, a former hater. I had to eat some humble pie in the last 8 years since the 2008 primary. That woman beat Obama in the popular vote after a bruising primary, still conceded defeat and STILL campaigned her tail off for him.

Sanders is threatening to throw a tantrum and not raise any money and abandon democrats if he doesn't win. That's mammothly irresponsible, given that we are up against the scariest candidates leftover from a zombie-like GOP, and shows you that he's actually not as strong as you think - and that he's actually a lot more of a vain, sore-loser politician than anyone would like to admit.

The hilarious part is that the media tried to paint Clinton as exactly that in 2008. When she had way more of a right to be a sore loser given how close she got. And yet she graciously conceded when California rolled around, endorsed Obama, campaigned for him, and then became SoS.

I'm starting to see some differences here. Better now than never.

[Ethan Allen]

Dude, the Phoenix mayor called for a probe into the election fraud. I personally witnessed illegal actions at my own caucus here from the Hillary side. It's not unfounded accusation, it's widespread with video proof. Google it. Links don't seem to be working properly for me here.


I used to be a Clinton supporter until I actually looked into them. Pretty much every bad thing that has befallen America is tied to the Clintons.
Media monopolies. Check.
Economic collapse. Check.
War. Check.
Civil rights violations. Check.
Weapons deals to enemies. Check.
Bribery. Check.
Outsourcing. Check.
Rape. Check.
Election tampering. Check.
Mishandling of classified materials. Check.
Lies caught on tape. Check.
Hillary even helped to cut Haiti's minimum wage in half.

Hillary is beyond redemption. I haven't even listed everything.

[MCOWPB]

Also, do you really think that if Bill and Hillary were trying to steal the primary that it would have gone this long uncovered by the media? Taking down the Clintons is the media's favorite game. You can't have it both ways. You claim the system is rigged and the media is on her side, but then celebrate the fact that she's so reviled by many because of the media?

This is the kind of noise I hear among Sanders voters.

Let's get real here. Hillary hasn't needed to cheat. She's 2.5 million votes ahead. Sanders wins in landslides in a bunch of states that have a smaller population than the entire metropolitan area of Tampa or even good old Vegas. Only among white people, only among young people. Good for him. Up until the last few weeks, it was a good campaign.

I'm 29 years old and I've been following modern politics a long time... Well, as long as time has allowed considering I'm no grandpa . Yes I'm young, but this is my life. I'm Hispanic. I'm gay. I should be kissing Sanders' behind right now. I fit his demographic. He got a vote from me. But I have a nose for bull****. The fact that Hillary's bull**** is starting to dissipate the longer this campaign goes on, and my BS-detector for Sanders is getting louder and louder... Well that's not a good sign and now how I expected to feel at this point. But oh well.

[MCOWPB]

Originally Posted by Ethan Allen

Dude, the Phoenix mayor called for a probe into the election fraud. I personally witnessed illegal actions at my own caucus here from the Hillary side. It's not unfounded accusation, it's widespread with video proof. Google it. Links don't seem to be working properly for me here.


I used to be a Clinton supporter until I actually looked into them. Pretty much every bad thing that has befallen America is tied to the Clintons.
Media monopolies. Check.
Economic collapse. Check.
War. Check.
Civil rights violations. Check.
Weapons deals to enemies. Check.
Bribery. Check.
Outsourcing. Check.
Rape. Check.
Election tampering. Check.
Mishandling of classified materials. Check.
Lies caught on tape. Check.
Hillary even helped to cut Haiti's minimum wage in half.

Hillary is beyond redemption. I haven't even listed everything.

Yeah I watched those videos. On Reddit. They were debunked.

The rest of your list is a desperate tin foil hat smear (rape? Ok then lol) and I'm not about to get into that exhausting argument. You have your mind made up and you have every right to do what you want with your vote. I don't buy into the Sanders fad anymore. I explained why. If it bothered you, good. It should have. More people should question our candidates. I don't think either Sanders or Clinton are weak candidates. I'd vote for either. Happily. But I saw this happen with Obama in 2008. No liberal questioned his qualifications or ability to govern and deal with awkward chasms in congress. Then he was inaugurated, the ACA hobbled through a divided congress, liberals blamed him and turned their backs on him. I was one of them, for a time. Then I realized - I bought him hook line and sinker and didn't think ahead. Sanders voters are basically me 8 years ago. Sanders in office will be a very different ballgame. Just imagine him trying to convince the house to pass single payer. I'm cringing just imagining it.

That's all I have on this really.

[Ethan Allen]

Right now, Sanders supporters are protesting CNN in California for their biased coverage.

Washington Post ran 16 negative articles on Sanders in 16 hours.
No coverage for any of Sanders massive rallies.
News stations were, instead, quick to jump on Hillary's wins.


Here is some actual data, just remove the space and [/url] between data and .org in the link below.

http://decisiondata .org/news/political-media-blackouts-president-2016/


Side note, nothing has been debunked. Everything I said is verifiable. I did not vote for Obama or Clinton last time because both are crap.

[MCOWPB]

Originally Posted by Ethan Allen

Dude, the Phoenix mayor called for a probe into the election fraud. I personally witnessed illegal actions at my own caucus here from the Hillary side. It's not unfounded accusation, it's widespread with video proof. Google it. Links don't seem to be working properly for me here.


I used to be a Clinton supporter until I actually looked into them. Pretty much every bad thing that has befallen America is tied to the Clintons.
Media monopolies. Check.
Economic collapse. Check.
War. Check.
Civil rights violations. Check.
Weapons deals to enemies. Check.
Bribery. Check.
Outsourcing. Check.
Rape. Check.
Election tampering. Check.
Mishandling of classified materials. Check.
Lies caught on tape. Check.
Hillary even helped to cut Haiti's minimum wage in half.

Hillary is beyond redemption. I haven't even listed everything.

Also another note- the DOJ is investigating the AZ election based on the mayors request because the lines were insane. A city of 1 million plus with only 60 precincts.

You're blaming Clinton for that? Blame Anthony Scalia (who is dead now, yay) and the rest of the craggy justices on SCOTUS. Don't make yourself sound like an imbecile and blame Hillary Clinton for the VRA being slashed to bits in 2013. AZ did that to themselves because they do NOT want people to vote. They want low turnout so republicans win.

So please let that 1 go, that's actually my bread and butter.

[Ethan Allen]

I used Arizona as an example of voter suppression/fraud.

What is a fact is Bill Clinton being sued, right now, for violating Massachusetts election laws.


Juanita Broaddrick says Bill Raped her and Hillary helped cover it up. There are other woman claiming the same thing.
Thanks to Monica, we know Billy boy is not above adultery.



Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;
In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."
Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.