[mojavedxer]

Originally Posted by robojester

Not trying to be a jerk but it seems the two things you are saying are opposed and can not BOTH be true

"Dealers are a dime a dozen," and "only to find out once they start dealing that they have no clue what to do or can't speak english and they wind up getting termed"

This suggests that plenty of people WANT to be dealers but most of them are not "good" dealers, Or even good prospect.
if you will tell such a dumb lie then you are not going to make it long in a biz where your every move is recorded...The cardinal rule in the pits is if surveillance/security is asking you a question they already KNOW the answer so you better be up front and honest

Lets face it if you can not speak english then it is hard for them to put you on a live game.
If you tell them you do not know a game many places will HELP you...for example let you muck cheques on roulette and maybe do a few spins. Or tapping in on a slow night instead of going on break.
You may give up a few breaks but you are learning a new skill for free.

Most table games can be taught in short order if you are willing to learn. AFTER you have your fundamentals down. Two of the things I see that drive me nuts are dealers who can not shuffle properly and dealers who can not pitch.
Kind of like a mechanic who doesn't know lefty loosy righty tighty.....



It's like any skilled position, if you respect your Craft and take it seriously then you can do well.
Those traits seem to be in short supply in every walk of life these days.

Asian or more recently Ethiopian dealers are hired with limited English skills because some hiring game managers believe that they will attract more men to the tables. Pretty girls and good times is their mentality. Table game revenue has been down alot in the industry due to the declining interest in table games. That's why you see casinos slowly reducing their table game operation with less tables available and tighter payouts in carnival games.
Still plenty of people trying to get into dealing. I know this because my brother in-law is the owner operator of a dealers school here in town and never has a bad year. Strip resorts dont have a problem getting experienced dealers. The problem they face is getting them to show for work since every pit in this town only hires part time any more. Scheduling conflicts causes dealers to call out on one gig to be available for the other gig. Experienced dealers are not going to waste their time at a local break in house because the tokes are usually sub par and dont want to deal with the hassle of working with a green floor person riding them when they dont even know themselves. Offstrip and downtown if filled with weak table game personal and management that are just getting into the industry or have been fired from every strip joint in the past.

[robojester]

^^ they may to get local exp wich helps move up.

A LOT of jobs here don;t want to hire unless you have been here at least 6 months.

I guess they figure if you can make it at some hole in the wall then you will do ok at a decent house.

Also it shows you can get a NV gaming lic wich is not the easiest in the country.

So it makes sense as a stepping stone and to fill in while looking for a good job

[mojavedxer]

Originally Posted by robojester

^^ they may to get local exp wich helps move up.

A LOT of jobs here don;t want to hire unless you have been here at least 6 months.

I guess they figure if you can make it at some hole in the wall then you will do ok at a decent house.

Also it shows you can get a NV gaming lic wich is not the easiest in the country.

So it makes sense as a stepping stone and to fill in while looking for a good job

Yes that's all true but that still does not validate your comment that there is a shortage of good dealers in Las Vegas. They are disposable just like every other job in the casino industry. What we do is not rocket science and getting replacements at any level of the hierarchy is not that difficult.

[Golfinnova]

Originally Posted by robojester

Not trying to be a jerk but it seems the two things you are saying are opposed and can not BOTH be true

"Dealers are a dime a dozen," and "only to find out once they start dealing that they have no clue what to do or can't speak english and they wind up getting termed"

This suggests that plenty of people WANT to be dealers but most of them are not "good" dealers, Or even good prospect.
if you will tell such a dumb lie then you are not going to make it long in a biz where your every move is recorded...The cardinal rule in the pits is if surveillance/security is asking you a question they already KNOW the answer so you better be up front and honest

Lets face it if you can not speak english then it is hard for them to put you on a live game.
If you tell them you do not know a game many places will HELP you...for example let you muck cheques on roulette and maybe do a few spins. Or tapping in on a slow night instead of going on break.
You may give up a few breaks but you are learning a new skill for free.

Most table games can be taught in short order if you are willing to learn. AFTER you have your fundamentals down. Two of the things I see that drive me nuts are dealers who can not shuffle properly and dealers who can not pitch.
Kind of like a mechanic who doesn't know lefty loosy righty tighty.....



It's like any skilled position, if you respect your Craft and take it seriously then you can do well.
Those traits seem to be in short supply in every walk of life these days.

No, that is accurate. What you're forgetting is that some dealers train at legitimate schools such as Nick Kallos where DW went but some are being trained at basement schools that are not recognized so they show up claiming they can "deal" a game when in fact they wind up messing up payouts, who actually won, etc. and it nearly becomes to the point where NGC is called in to review the tapes (rare but happens).

As to speaking and understanding english, it is way more prevalent than believed considering many dealers are here from Asia and Africa looking for a new start and they make the perception that they fill all the requirements in a dealer job listing. It shows that many smaller houses don't do a great job
vetting dealer candidates but there is a ton of turnover both involuntary and voluntary and managers have to fill them which means least common denominator.

[mojavedxer]

Originally Posted by Golfinnova

No, that is accurate. What you're forgetting is that some dealers train at legitimate schools such as Nick Kallos where DW went but some are being trained at basement schools that are not recognized so they show up claiming they can "deal" a game when in fact they wind up messing up payouts, who actually won, etc. and it nearly becomes to the point where NGC is called in to review the tapes (rare but happens).

As to speaking and understanding english, it is way more prevalent than believed considering many dealers are here from Asia and Africa looking for a new start and they make the perception that they fill all the requirements in a dealer job listing. It shows that many smaller houses don't do a great job
vetting dealer candidates but there is a ton of turnover both involuntary and voluntary and managers have to fill them which means least common denominator.

Is it a basement now. I heard that they where training on the container ship on the way here.

[Golfinnova]

Originally Posted by mojavedxer

Is it a basement now. I heard that they where training on the container ship on the way here.

Some basements, some garages but I wouldn't be surprised if they learned games on container ships.

[mojavedxer]

Originally Posted by Golfinnova

Some basements, some garages but I wouldn't be surprised if they learned games on container ships.

The simple truth is upper management does not care. Its all a numbers game and not an issue with vetting. The margins in table games has gotten so slim. These applicants are being referred by an agency that brokers out work visa dealers and the casino receives tax breaks for employing them. Those who have to work with them or supervise just have to deal with it and clean up their mess. They are not here to because they have the desire to be table game dealers. They are on the hunt for a husband before their work permit expires. The Far East Asian host at the Gold Coast was one of the biggest marriage brokers in the valley before management found out.

[curious.girl]

Originally Posted by robojester

I do know the keys exist The roulette ones I find esp fun.
I also mentioned they exist...I said there was more to it. the very idea that you believe you can memorize a few payouts and formulas and be good to go is just too funny.

" Vegas would be the holy grail for advantage players and hole card teams."

It IS . It's why they spend a fortune on surveillance.
These guys LOOKS for weak dealers, and they find them.
If you ever HAD pitched a card you would know exactly how silly you sound.
They even had a tv SERIES about cheatin vegas


Actually I am from the midwest where I have delt 12 games as well as all the different poker formats.
most table games can be picked up pretty quick with a few exceptions like Bac and Pai Gow. Esp if you know poker hands.

As always, Thanks for playing....

Robojester, I'm curious to know when you last worked in the midwest, and if you'd mind mentioning which particular city. We're from the midwest too, lived in Vegas many years (my hubby is in the gaming business...dealer and then floor supervisor). My hubby is currently working FT floor in the midwest, too, at a fairly large casino, but we'd like to get back to Vegas. Not having any luck finding a job from here, though, and his transfer apps within his company, so far have been unsuccessful. he knows all the games except poker. We'd happily stay here if he could get hired at the Rivers in Des Plaines, but he's had no luck there yet, either. We'd be quite happy to live around the Rivers for that FT floor job.

Anyway, is it basically just impossible to get hired as FT floor now at the good places? When we left in the mid 2000s, it was fairly easy to get FT floor, at least for someone with my hubby's skills and experience. We're a bit (to say the least) frustrated...

[robojester]

Well I am retired so I am not sure what the current situation is.

Before I left the workforce last year I was told poker floor gigs were very easy to get. I guess a lot of dealers would rather not work than floor.

I'm from Minnesota.

If you're in Iowa the Council Bluffs Omaha area has several properties that you can transfer through their. If I recall there are often looking for full-time floors. I was thinking of going there for six months and then tried to transfer out here to Vegas as a have a couple chain properties in that area.

If you don't mind the cold check out Canterbury Park in Minnesota all the dealers keep their own tips.
Pretty sure full-time tried to come by just like every place these days.

There's also mystic Lake which I believe is still just black Jack and slots.

Best of luck anything else I can do let me know

[ChinkChink]

If you are UGLY just mention you are a protected class. Name drop Obama and DOJ. Youll be hired on the spot.