[LasVegasPlayer]

Originally Posted by mojavedxer

A 3.2 single deck game offer nothing when the double and split rules are so restrictive. I seem to remember that Binions and the Riv where doing 1.1 on the dozens and columns on 0 zero games and the race track was also removed from the layout. 1000+ odds on craps only works on a couple of bets that will be called no bet by any decent boxman. The average table game tourist does not know the difference between 3.2 to 6.5.

Binion's and Riviera (before it closed) went back to 6:5 on single deck. You're right that the rules were not all that special. It was double on 10 and 11 only.

The roulette payouts were exactly the same as double zero so the house edge was cut nearly in half. The payouts were not shorted when compared to double zero.

I'm not sure what you mean about craps. It works on any Pass, Come, Don't Pass or Don't Come that became a number. You could make a $5 line bet and go up to $5,000. Nobody could or would call that a no bet as long as the dice were not out when it was placed.

[BBMW]

One other point. It's not like millennials aren't going to the Vegas casinos. They're just walking past the casinos to the clubs, bars, restaurants, and such. So their in the house. This is a huge marketing opportunity. It shows a pretty bad lack of imagination on the part of the casino marketing people that they can't find a way to use this to pull the millennials into gaming.

[mojavedxer]

Originally Posted by LasVegasPlayer

Binion's and Riviera (before it closed) went back to 6:5 on single deck. You're right that the rules were not all that special. It was double on 10 and 11 only.

The roulette payouts were exactly the same as double zero so the house edge was cut nearly in half. The payouts were not shorted when compared to double zero.

I'm not sure what you mean about craps. It works on any Pass, Come, Don't Pass or Don't Come that became a number. You could make a $5 line bet and go up to $5,000. Nobody could or would call that a no bet as long as the dice were not out when it was placed.

Binion's definitely paid 1.1 on all the of the outside bets on euro roulette at one time. Never been in the Riv in years when it was around. You missed another wager that you can take odds on after coming out. This wager can be used to the players advantage to help shave down the house percentage on a game that offers 20+ odds. Game managers will restrict the odds or call no wager to combat advantage players utilizing the extended odds flaw.

[mojavedxer]

Originally Posted by BBMW

One other point. It's not like millennials aren't going to the Vegas casinos. They're just walking past the casinos to the clubs, bars, restaurants, and such. So their in the house. This is a huge marketing opportunity. It shows a pretty bad lack of imagination on the part of the casino marketing people that they can't find a way to use this to pull the millennials into gaming.

There is alot of talk about it at G2E right now with the new game offerings.

[LasVegasPlayer]

Originally Posted by mojavedxer

Binion's definitely paid 1.1 on all the of the outside bets on euro roulette at one time. Never been in the Riv in years when it was around. You missed another wager that you can take odds on after coming out. This wager can be used to the players advantage to help shave down the house percentage on a game that offers 20+ odds. Game managers will restrict the odds or call no wager to combat advantage players utilizing the extended odds flaw.

You're saying the 1st/2nd/3rd 12 only paid even money instead of 2-1? That bet would be of questionable legality in Nevada as it would have a house edge of 51.35%. That leads me to believe this is an error. The true outsides (red-blue, high-low, odd-even) pay that but those are twice as likely to occur. If the dozens really did short pay that badly, then just bet the others. Riviera definitely paid the standard returns.

I think you're describing a call bet on craps. That is where a player misses the come out and tries to come in with a flat bet and max odds. That generally is not allowed on the pass or come anywhere that offers better odds than 3-4-5. It still doesn't have a player advantage though. It would on the don't side but a call bet is never permitted there.

No house can refuse posted odds on a legitimately wagered pass, come, don't pass or don't come wager. Any establishment that tries should have a gaming agent called on it immediately.

[BBMW]

If I were in casino marketing, I would be focus grouping a lot of millennials, especially in the LA area, to see what could lure them in. See what their interests are, and then build games around those interests.

Originally Posted by mojavedxer

There is alot of talk about it at G2E right now with the new game offerings.

[Tek_Freek]

If they add games based on video game skills I'll give it a shot - and I'm not a Millennial.

[Willy702]

Typical nonsense from this forum. I'm sure executives are having sleepless nights when gaming revenue nationwide is at all time highs. Strip managers are sure to chase every idea forum people throw out there, I mean only 95% occupancy for major resorts just screams a millennial problem is getting out of hand.

Come on people, you all can't be this blind. This writer speaks plenty of truth, but is speaking to a problem which doesn't really exist. Casinos have never made much from the under 40 crowd. This is not news.

[BBMW]

What's the planning time frame for the casino company planning? Yes, the boomers gamble, and as they retire, they'll have more time on there hands (money, who knows how long that will hold up.) But what happens after the age out?

Will Gen X and the Millennials suddenly develop a taste for gambling? Or is that too far out for anyone to care?

[Willy702]

Originally Posted by BBMW

What's the planning time frame for the casino company planning? Yes, the boomers gamble, and as they retire, they'll have more time on there hands (money, who knows how long that will hold up.) But what happens after the age out?

Will Gen X and the Millennials suddenly develop a taste for gambling? Or is that too far out for anyone to care?

Yep pretty much. No manager plans for more than 5 years because it's pointless to take on products the good customers of today don't want to play. When the age out happens there will be adjustments as you have seen on the Strip. They will largely be putting in the activities most valuable patrons want to play and if that means less casino space then so be it.