[Irish4evr]

Originally Posted by crabtrees

What is your fascination with the state lottery? Who gives a crap? haha. Why would Nevada spend tax money on a state lottery when you can already gamble anywhere you want? I don't have any stats or anything, but given Nevada's special circumstances and reliance on casino gaming, it's probably the only state in the country that would lose money by hosting a lottery. All this Dr. Sues, metaphorical judgment day talk is insane. You remind me of my super conservative, republican, religious 90 year old grandma who lives in the mid-west. Time to build a bomb shelter under the house because Jesus hates Obama and Satan is funding all the weed legalization measures hahaha. Good lord. Everything is going to be alright. It's exciting though...only 6 days left until our country goes through some major changes.

No fascination at all...only the fact that some immediately assume what passes in California is a definite shoe in in Nevada...it is an example....follow ! What's the major change gonna be....according to the supporters...it's already regularly available and used ...!

Honestly, from a personal standpoint I have absolutely no dog in this hunt and in actuality stand to gain much more financially from its passage...however that's not the point ! But thanks for comparing me to your 90 year old grandma...I bet you love her too !

[unf0rgiven6262]

Originally Posted by Irish4evr

Well how about those places already legalized...how come the banking thing is still a problem in those places ....maybe a little concern over the FDIC/Federal thingy...maybe

Yes of course it's because of the federal status. The feds are only likely to change that once the states do. Again, cart before horse.

[unf0rgiven6262]

Originally Posted by BBMW

The same could be said about Opium/Heroin. It's a processed plant extract. And Cocaine also.

At some point we're going to have to either give up on the "War on Drugs" in it's entirety, or go thermonuclear. In the end, it's likely to be the former.

Major differences there. Opium and heroin are heavily processed. Marijuana can and is used exactly as it grows. All the edibles and extracts are a different ball game. Yes, going thermonuclear is not very likely or wise for anyone involved on either side.

[Irish4evr]

The DA in Denver and several other top elected officials from Colorado have spoken out AGAINST, and issued a warning to those states considering legalization of recreational marijuana.

As my argument is now, and has been...this issue is not as simple as some would care to make it appear....there are major secondary problems slowly surfacing from this issue occurring today, in Colorado.

That information is readily available and I would strongly encourage those residents not yet decided to consider their words, carefully. Nevada does not need this problem...use common sense !

[EA]

ALL the problems in Colorado are 100% caused by surrounding states not having legal weed. If all states had legal weed, the only problem would be dorito supply.

[Irish4evr]

Originally Posted by unf0rgiven6262

Yes of course it's because of the federal status. The feds are only likely to change that once the states do. Again, cart before horse.

Do you honestly believe for one minute that these greedy lending institutions, would for one minute, hesitate to dive into this highly lucrative venture, unless they feared potential Federal consequences. The same holds true for many very respected medical research/physicians...They won't openly support because it's considered illegal in the Feds eyes and they, cautiously and wisely don't share your obvious optimism.

I feel you have the tail wagging the dog scenario backward.

Many people don't quite realize just how critical, and powerful federal oversight can be. They pay their taxes, some collect benefits...but otherwise....fail to recognize that critical piece to this puzzle.

States love to express their autonomy...until they need federal funding for lands, roads, education, and many other benefits. I think this particular change needs to start from the top down, not bottom up.

[BBMW]

How much money does LE make from the war on drugs? How many of their jobs are dependent on it? And, in point of fact, as you come up in LE, you're basically brainwashed for day one that all drugs are inherently evil and have to be purged from society. So LE has a strong incentive to be anti-legalization.

In point of fact, the voters of CO shoved pot legalization down the throat of the government, and the government has resented it. They've gone alone, but as little as possible, making it as difficult as possible. Because of this, what benefits there could be have been reduced. Specifically, by making the bureaucracy of setting up grow operations as intrusive and restrictive as possible, the CO government as restricted supply, making it expensive. Financially, this may actually be good for the legal operator who've gotten over the hump, as they can charge more for their product. But it has the negative effect of not creating enough supply to force out the illegal suppliers.

The "secondary problem" issue is a shibboleth, give how much pot use there is already. This is not a choice between pot and no pot. Pot's everywhere already. It's a choice between the pot being supplied by illegal criminal organizations or legal companies (or legally DIY - that's not very difficult.)

Originally Posted by Irish4evr

The DA in Denver and several other top elected officials from Colorado have spoken out AGAINST, and issued a warning to those states considering legalization of recreational marijuana.

As my argument is now, and has been...this issue is not as simple as some would care to make it appear....there are major secondary problems slowly surfacing from this issue occurring today, in Colorado.

That information is readily available and I would strongly encourage those residents not yet decided to consider their words, carefully. Nevada does not need this problem...use common sense !

[Irish4evr]

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this. I personally feel the the black market will do very, very well. Did you shop on Amazon before they started charging tax ?

Personally I feel the war on drugs, per se has been a major disaster. I am from the Rockefeller era...I know exactly how discrimate drug laws can destroy an otherwise, decent person !

My entire argument is that "medical marijuana" is now favorably considered and widely accepted as an alternative form of treatment...I full support that ! However, general acceptance on a recreational basis can cause more problems, and potentially harm that segment needing and/or using for medical purposes.

There are many questions yet to be answered, and marijuana, like alcohol isn't going away regardless of how this proposition plays out...I get it !

I honestly don't know too many LEO's that get to excited about simple possession ...in fact none. Trafficking or secondary issues may be a different story....so to respond...No...busting a 21 year old kid for simple possession is no big money maker...in this world today there are much greater problems !

I personally know several retired LEO's that hold medical marijuana cards. It is not that big black dark line that you envision.

[BBMW]

You're correct, this issue is always going to be divisive.

From my standpoint, the reason to legalize is specifically to pull it out of the black market, and the legalization laws should reflect this. Currently they really don't (and, of course, there's the whole issue of federal law.) This is what's behind what problems are being caused in CO.

As far as the Amazon thing, yes I did, but I still use them now, if they're the cheapest on an item net of the tax. Taking this back to the pot legalization. I think legally grown pot, even with some level of taxation imposed, should be cheaper than smuggled/illegal pot, especially if there's still a risk premium imposed on the illegal dealers.

The model here is moonshining. There are still people out in the Appalachians moonshining. Maybe they make a little money at it. But it's barely a blip in the total alcoholic beverage market. If pot is legalized in such a way as the legal growers can produce enough to satisfy demand, it will be the same way. If the government passive-aggressively retards the supply, the illegal dealers will happily pick up the slack.

Originally Posted by Irish4evr

I think we will have to agree to disagree on this. I personally feel the the black market will do very, very well. Did you shop on Amazon before they started charging tax ?

[Irish4evr]

Originally Posted by BBMW

You're correct, this issue is always going to be divisive.

From my standpoint, the reason to legalize is specifically to pull it out of the black market, and the legalization laws should reflect this. Currently they really don't (and, of course, there's the whole issue of federal law.) This is what's behind what problems are being caused in CO.

As far as the Amazon thing, yes I did, but I still use them now, if they're the cheapest on an item net of the tax. Taking this back to the pot legalization. I think legally grown pot, even with some level of taxation imposed, should be cheaper than smuggled/illegal pot, especially if there's still a risk premium imposed on the illegal dealers.

The model here is moonshining. There are still people out in the Appalachians moonshining. Maybe they make a little money at it. But it's barely a blip in the total alcoholic beverage market. If pot is legalized in such a way as the legal growers can produce enough to satisfy demand, it will be the same way. If the government passive-aggressively retards the supply, the illegal dealers will happily pick up the slack.

The hypothetical position you state, I fully concur with, however before full implementation is enacted, is it not valid to further investigate. Colorado does have a major black market problem...and believe me...if there is money to be made there will be alternative interests. I too shop Amazon...no harm intended !