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(and i know there is a great mexican place whose name eludes me).
There are TWO Jim.......hidden in a TINY dirty looking storefront alongside an old auto repair shop [since renovated] is El Sombrero one of the oldest and best in town.....havent eaten there in ages so I'm just assuming that it hasnt changed....
El sombrero is on Main right at the 'alignment' curve about the 800 block
A little farther South is another GREAT newer Mexican place with Karaoki can't remember the name but it's 1 block south of Charleston onj the west side of the street......newer....more crowded.....less English spoken there....[but it's MEXICAN....who cares if they speak English]
There are TWO Jim.......hidden in a TINY dirty looking storefront alongside an old auto repair shop [since renovated] is El Sombrero one of the oldest and best in town.....havent eaten there in ages so I'm just assuming that it hasnt changed....
El sombrero is on Main right at the 'alignment' curve about the 800 block
A little farther South is another GREAT newer Mexican place with Karaoki can't remember the name but it's 1 block south of Charleston onj the west side of the street......newer....more crowded.....less English spoken there....[but it's MEXICAN....who cares if they speak English]
yeah...the second one is the one i was thinking of.
but thanks for the tip on el sombrero...have to give it a whirl sometime.
hmmm...my guess is that you don't go out much down this way or you would know better.
1st off...i said near the action, not in it. out my door, 5-10min drive (even w/ traffic) to what i assume you are referring to as the action (aka the strip..tons of 'pumpin' clubs etc. and not usually what i am looking for when i go out). this also translates into a very short and relatively inexpensive cab ride.
your assessment of the downtown social life as nothing but the 'small' FSE demonstrates your lack of understanding of the area. i'm just going to name a couple things off the top of my head: just off FSE (hogs & heifers, Sidebar), E. Fremont (the griffin, beauty bar, downtown cocktail room), expand a bit to the art bar, the bunkhouse saloon, the icehouse lounge. eat at the florida cafe (great cuban) or tinoco's (and i know there is a great mexican place whose name eludes me). last friday i saw at least two cafe looking places that i need to check out (one was called potato something). at night, the bars are for the locals (rarely tourists), including young professionals and college students. there is live music and plenty of entertainment (both on FSE and off, depending what you are looking for). and the dives...man there are some great dives...huntridge pkg liquor, dinos, atomic.
my guess is that your definition and my definition of creepy are remarkably different...you pbby should never come down to 1st friday...lotsa "creepy" there...u know artists and drugeees and derelicts, and lions and tigers and bears (oh my ). my guess is anything out of your comfort zone gets a creepy tag (for a frame of ref - how old are you? where are you from? etc.). i think we have different target audiences.
and of course the area is a bit sketchier...its downtown, what do you expect? but there is never a lack of things to do...and it is always interesting. u really shouldn't go bad mouthing places you don't know.
hmmm, i guess I have a different opinion, i look more at exterior facade and people. Sure there is plenty to do. But see, when I see the icebar, for example, I see the crap right next to it... it looks like Tijuana, on Main St, just north of Charleston.
I would NOT expect a downtown area to be sketchier, as you stated, in a world class city like Las Vegas. Downtown Main St. should really be something like Old Town Pasadena someday... Old Town Pasadena used to be the ghetto in the 80s, now it is all redone...
BTW, I've seen it all.... I've been to the ghetto of ghettos - South Central LA, I walked the streets of Harlem.. yea its true. I walked through Deep Ellum, ive hung out in the slums of the slums...I've befriended homeless people. But once I graduated graduate school, I said NUFF O DAT!! I've done a lot for such a young age... I bet I am younger than you!!!
I drive through downtown at least once a month.....Im not sure what the attraction is at this moment, I never hear about anyone dying to live in downtown......at least not yet. I hope it does change.....go Oscar!!!
I started this to learn more about where to live in Vegas. The only thing I have to say now is, why does someone who graduated with a graduate degree(of what has not been mentioned) says they have 'walked' the 'most ghetto of the ghettos' as in Harlem and South Central LA. I sure hope you didn't mentioned you were in South Central LA while you were in Harlem or vice versa because I can guarantee you would not be making comments on this thread if you had. Also South Central LA has distinct racial characteristics and so does Harlem and I have a hard time believing you were able to fit in with either, let alone both. I'll take guinessjim's advice over someone who bashes every neighborhood but the highest classes of neighborhoods.
hmmm, i guess I have a different opinion, i look more at exterior facade and people. Sure there is plenty to do. But see, when I see the icebar, for example, I see the crap right next to it... it looks like Tijuana, on Main St, just north of Charleston.
I would NOT expect a downtown area to be sketchier, as you stated, in a world class city like Las Vegas. Downtown Main St. should really be something like Old Town Pasadena someday... Old Town Pasadena used to be the ghetto in the 80s, now it is all redone...
BTW, I've seen it all.... I've been to the ghetto of ghettos - South Central LA, I walked the streets of Harlem.. yea its true. I walked through Deep Ellum, ive hung out in the slums of the slums...I've befriended homeless people. But once I graduated graduate school, I said NUFF O DAT!! I've done a lot for such a young age... I bet I am younger than you!!!
I drive through downtown at least once a month.....Im not sure what the attraction is at this moment, I never hear about anyone dying to live in downtown......at least not yet. I hope it does change.....go Oscar!!!
no guessing about it...you have a remarkably different opinion - which you are absolutely entitled to. but when you state your opinion as fact, you better expect people on this site to call you on it.
do you realize you just compared downtown LV to downtown pasadena? don't even know where to begin picking that apart (i lived in altadena for 3 years and am very familiar w/ the area). you are not even comparing apples and oranges at this point...more like comparing apples and pomeranians. you want to compare downtowns, at least pick a comparable city...comparing old town pasadena to downtown LV is ludicrous...you could maybe compare old town to the district or parts of summerlin or green valley, but it is most definitely not comparable to the downtown of a large city (pasadena has <150K pop....metro LV is >550K). and realistically, if you were to leave oldtown and head north of the 210...well, lets just say that YOU wouldn't (regardless of you claims of walking the ghetto and befriending the homeless - giving someone change and having a two sentence conversation doesn't count as befriending...not saying that is what you did...but i am hedging my bets given the extensive use of 'creepy' in a prior post).
and BTW...you clearly haven't seen it all, given you ignorance of what downtown LV has to offer. u drive through downtown once a month...hardly an informed perspective...
as for not seeing the attraction to downtown ATM, reread my previous short list of things to do there. many of us like it down here and wouldn't live newhere else...yeah, it's true
*again i ask you to give us a frame of reference for yourself: a) how old? b) where did you do you graduate work? c) where did you live?
i'll restate my info to give you a start: a) 35, b) milwaukee, c) NM (santa fe & los alamos), WI (suburbs and downtown MKE), NE (downtown omaha), CA (altadena), NV (las vegas)
I started this to learn more about where to live in Vegas. The only thing I have to say now is, why does someone who graduated with a graduate degree(of what has not been mentioned) says they have 'walked' the 'most ghetto of the ghettos' as in Harlem and South Central LA. I sure hope you didn't mentioned you were in South Central LA while you were in Harlem or vice versa because I can guarantee you would not be making comments on this thread if you had. Also South Central LA has distinct racial characteristics and so does Harlem and I have a hard time believing you were able to fit in with either, let alone both. I'll take guinessjim's advice over someone who bashes every neighborhood but the highest classes of neighborhoods.
thx madtown...take everything said here w/ a grain of salt and make the decision that you feel fits you best. i love downtown...it fits my personality and in LV, still means that you can get to the outdoors w/in 30min to an hour. you gonna get a chance to look around before you make living arrangements? i had the benefit of being in LA b4 i moved here so i drove in and looked around before i had to commit to a place. and i'm pulling no punches...there are parts of downtown i really wouldn't want to live (i can walk to them). you have to make your own decisions on that.
but again, ATM, i wouldn't want to live newhere else in LV
no guessing about it...you have a remarkably different opinion - which you are absolutely entitled to. but when you state your opinion as fact, you better expect people on this site to call you on it.
do you realize you just compared downtown LV to downtown pasadena? don't even know where to begin picking that apart (i lived in altadena for 3 years and am very familiar w/ the area). you are not even comparing apples and oranges at this point...more like comparing apples and pomeranians. you want to compare downtowns, at least pick a comparable city...comparing old town pasadena to downtown LV is ludicrous...you could maybe compare old town to the district or parts of summerlin or green valley, but it is most definitely not comparable to the downtown of a large city (pasadena has <150K pop....metro LV is >550K). and realistically, if you were to leave oldtown and head north of the 210...well, lets just say that YOU wouldn't (regardless of you claims of walking the ghetto and befriending the homeless - giving someone change and having a two sentence conversation doesn't count as befriending...not saying that is what you did...but i am hedging my bets given the extensive use of 'creepy' in a prior post).
and BTW...you clearly haven't seen it all, given you ignorance of what downtown LV has to offer. u drive through downtown once a month...hardly an informed perspective...
as for not seeing the attraction to downtown ATM, reread my previous short list of things to do there. many of us like it down here and wouldn't live newhere else...yeah, it's true
*again i ask you to give us a frame of reference for yourself: a) how old? b) where did you do you graduate work? c) where did you live?
i'll restate my info to give you a start: a) 35, b) milwaukee, c) NM (santa fe & los alamos), WI (suburbs and downtown MKE), NE (downtown omaha), CA (altadena), NV (las vegas)
You are misinterpreted what I was trying to say, maybe I was unclear. I said, I do NOT believe downtown Las Vegas SHOULD be sketchier, as someone above had stated, i think it was madtown who said that - he said "of course it is sketchier, it is downtown". I don't relate to that. I said downtown in my opinion, in a world class city, SHOULD BE something like what they did with Old Town Pasadena. In the 80s, it was bad. Now look at it. That is my dream for downtown, do you see what I am saying? Downtown LV is not there yet.. let's be realistic.... it has a long way to go, there is no comparison. Look at the downtown areas of other world class cities, and you can see what my point was....
Now, haven't you ever done things when you were in your 20s? My point is, I have travelled all over the USA when i used to work in Silicon Valley after college, and being curious, I went to many neighborhoods as I used to party and stay out late........I made some unusual friends. kind of a like a dual life. I was well rounded, open minded, so I could play the "good corporate guy" while playing the single life to the extreme....
Now I am much older, I am 36. I was in my late 20s when I did all that traveling. I have lived in NY, San Francisco, San Jose, Menlo Park, Redwood City, So Cal - LA, Manhattan Beach, Huntington Beach, Las Vegas, Chicago, Miami. In addition, I have travelled to every major city in the USA multiple times, when I was working for Silicon valley tech company. I have also been to Dublin Ireland, China (Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Dalian) and Mexico (Monterrey), and Jamaica....
I understand why madtown is proud of where he lives, because he lives there. And yea, I'm single, no kids, and I live in Summerlin in a phat 4 bedroom house with a 3 car garage, a tropical backyard with a pebble tec lagoon pool with 10 ft waterfall and water slide...... so what???? who cares???? Why does everyone care where I live? I'm not saying I am better than anyone else because of where I live or my successes....I am not judging downtown based on where i Live... come on people. I never bragged about where I live.
Downtown is still what it is now...and it is not world class, period. Those of you who have never been there, when you compare downtown to the Strip, you will be shocked at the difference. I have an idea, so we can put this to bed. Why don't you do a survey of locals - take a sample of 1,000 people of all races, income levels -- let's see what they say about downtown LV? Let's see you backup how great downtown is? I know you live there, and you are apparently a proud home owner, but it's hard to see the other side. I am not bashing downtown, because it will redevelop in time... but it is not there yet. I hope it is someday - im an optimist, not a pessimist!!! Notice I do not promote where I live? You are mixing the issues - I never compared downtown to Summerlin, that is ludicrous. I compared to other places of where it could be - like what Old Town Pasadenua used to be, and what it is now..... One more thing, I have experienced friends who visit me in Vegas... I take them to the Strip, and they are WOWEd -- they love Vegas. Then I drive them to downtown, taking Las Vegas Blvd up, and they are like - "what is that? Is this still Vegas?" They see the old run downbuildings, old industrial and commerial, some baorded up, they see the difference, it shocks them, the old casinos on Fremont, they couldn't wait to leave. It's old Vegas... but it will change, little by little... hopefully....
You are misinterpreted what I was trying to say, maybe I was unclear. I said, I do NOT believe downtown Las Vegas SHOULD be sketchier, as someone above had stated, i think it was madtown who said that - he said "of course it is sketchier, it is downtown". I don't relate to that. I said downtown in my opinion, in a world class city, SHOULD BE something like what they did with Old Town Pasadena. In the 80s, it was bad. Now look at it. That is my dream for downtown, do you see what I am saying? Downtown LV is not there yet.. let's be realistic.... it has a long way to go, there is no comparison. Look at the downtown areas of other world class cities, and you can see what my point was....
Now, haven't you ever done things when you were in your 20s? My point is, I have travelled all over the USA when i used to work in Silicon Valley after college, and being curious, I went to many neighborhoods as I used to party and stay out late........I made some unusual friends. kind of a like a dual life. I was well rounded, open minded, so I could play the "good corporate guy" while playing the single life to the extreme....
Now I am much older, I am 36. I was in my late 20s when I did all that traveling. I have lived in NY, San Francisco, San Jose, Menlo Park, Redwood City, So Cal - LA, Manhattan Beach, Huntington Beach, Las Vegas, Chicago, Miami. In addition, I have travelled to every major city in the USA multiple times, when I was working for Silicon valley tech company. I have also been to Dublin Ireland, China (Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Dalian) and Mexico (Monterrey), and Jamaica....
I understand why madtown is proud of where he lives, because he lives there. And yea, I'm single, no kids, and I live in Summerlin in a phat 4 bedroom house with a 3 car garage, a tropical backyard with a pebble tec lagoon pool with 10 ft waterfall and water slide...... so what???? who cares???? Why does everyone care where I live? I'm not saying I am better than anyone else because of where I live or my successes....I am not judging downtown based on where i Live... come on people. I never bragged about where I live.
Downtown is still what it is now...and it is not world class, period. Those of you who have never been there, when you compare downtown to the Strip, you will be shocked at the difference. I have an idea, so we can put this to bed. Why don't you do a survey of locals - take a sample of 1,000 people of all races, income levels -- let's see what they say about downtown LV? Let's see you backup how great downtown is? I know you live there, and you are apparently a proud home owner, but it's hard to see the other side. I am not bashing downtown, because it will redevelop in time... but it is not there yet. I hope it is someday - im an optimist, not a pessimist!!! Notice I do not promote where I live? You are mixing the issues - I never compared downtown to Summerlin, that is ludicrous. I compared to other places of where it could be - like what Old Town Pasadenua used to be, and what it is now..... One more thing, I have experienced friends who visit me in Vegas... I take them to the Strip, and they are WOWEd -- they love Vegas. Then I drive them to downtown, taking Las Vegas Blvd up, and they are like - "what is that? Is this still Vegas?" They could see the old buildings, the difference, it shocked them, the old casinos on Fremont, they couldn't wait to leave. It's old Vegas... but it will change, little by little... hopefully....
did your graduate degree involve research or fact checking? what about reading comprehension? just curious...
maybe you should go back and read what I wrote (and possibly check the OP) before you puke out anything else. (and i didn't misinterpret what you said)
i don't have the energy to address everything above, so i'll just hit a few:
1. i made the downtown being sketchier comment (madtown is the OP).
2. you insist on comparing LV to pasadena...why not compare it to downtown LA? or downtown chicago? why pick one of the affluent areas of LA? might as well ask why downtown LV isn't more like Malibu (hopefully, it never will be)
3. your dream is just that - 'yours'. oldtown pasadena is fairly affluent, one-sided and IMO boring (although i did like an occasional trip to lucky's, old towne and the 35er). its basically an urban-suburb...i would hate to see that happen to downtown LV. the area is dynamic, not just for suits, soccer moms and trust-fundies (those are about the only college kids able to afford regularly hanging out in a place like old town).
4. you say you did "things" in your 20's (i am a year younger than you and i am still doing them)...you make it sound as if some of it was urban. then you must understand the appeal of the urban environment. just because you are no longer a fan, doesn't mean others of us aren't still entertained (not to mention the new batch of 20-somethings..of which the OP is one...hence my advice to check out the downtown when looking around). really...if you just graduated would you want to live in the burbs?
5. no one cares where you live
6. again...madtown is the OP (you really should understand the threads you are posting in)
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Originally Posted by vegas_4u
I live in Summerlin in a phat 4 bedroom house with a 3 car garage, a tropical backyard with a pebble tec lagoon pool with 10 ft waterfall and water slide....come on people. I never bragged about where I live
7. you just did (see the quote)
8. if you dislike downtown, why drive your friends through it? and what the hell are "experienced friends"? sounds like a bit of exaggeration here.
9. i already listed points for why i like downtown...don't need to take a survey because my opinion is my own...i don't base it on surveys or what other people think.
i stated info i thought would be useful to the OP...you brought nothing but a jaded opinion...why not offer the positives of other places instead of attacking a place you don't really know?
ughhh...invested more energy in that than i wanted....
did your graduate degree involve research or fact checking? what about reading comprehension? just curious...
maybe you should go back and read what I wrote (and possibly check the OP) before you puke out anything else. (and i didn't misinterpret what you said)
i don't have the energy to address everything above, so i'll just hit a few:
1. i made the downtown being sketchier comment (madtown is the OP).
2. you insist on comparing LV to pasadena...why not compare it to downtown LA? or downtown chicago? why pick one of the affluent areas of LA? might as well ask why downtown LV isn't more like Malibu (hopefully, it never will be)
3. your dream is just that - 'yours'. oldtown pasadena is fairly affluent, one-sided and IMO boring (although i did like an occasional trip to lucky's, old towne and the 35er). its basically an urban-suburb...i would hate to see that happen to downtown LV. the area is dynamic, not just for suits, soccer moms and trust-fundies (those are about the only college kids able to afford regularly hanging out in a place like old town).
4. you say you did "things" in your 20's (i am a year younger than you and i am still doing them)...you make it sound as if some of it was urban. then you must understand the appeal of the urban environment. just because you are no longer a fan, doesn't mean others of us aren't still entertained (not to mention the new batch of 20-somethings..of which the OP is one...hence my advice to check out the downtown when looking around). really...if you just graduated would you want to live in the burbs?
5. no one cares where you live
6. again...madtown is the OP (you really should understand the threads you are posting in)
7. you just did (see the quote)
8. if you dislike downtown, why drive your friends through it? and what the hell are "experienced friends"? sounds like a bit of exaggeration here.
9. i already listed points for why i like downtown...don't need to take a survey because my opinion is my own...i don't base it on surveys or what other people think.
i stated info i thought would be useful to the OP...you brought nothing but a jaded opinion...why not offer the positives of other places instead of attacking a place you don't really know?
ughhh...invested more energy in that than i wanted....
Ugh, nice trap. But, I can see right through it. In summary, you skewed my argument, trying to be slick, instead of sticking with the issues. Just one example --- earlier, you pressured me about disclosing where I live, for the sake of strengthening your argument against me, I guess. Well, I answered that, reluctantly. You sucked me in. Then, when you quoted what I said about where I lived, you didn't include the context of the whole paragraph - you parsed out a few catch phrases and stuck them together - making me look like a bragger! Well done, if you are a sleezy politician......
ZZZZZ -- buzzer says, foul play!!! Your debating skills are questionable, and that is what this is, a debate. It is not advisable, during a debate, that you twist things out of proportion....
Ok... .BOTH OF YOU. go to your respective corners.
I think a time-out is in order.
LMAO. Sorry, I couldn't resist.
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). my guess is anything out of your comfort zone gets a creepy tag (for a frame of ref - how old are you? where are you from? etc.). i think we have different target audiences.
