[BBMW]

Maybe you're a convict, but I'm very much not.

[EA]

While Australia may not have mass shootings, they very much have mass murders.
In the 20 years before they banned guns, Australia had 108 killed in mass murders.
In the 20 years since, they've had 93 killed in mass murder.
The only change is the weapons used. Instead of guns, people are using clubs, gas, fire, and knives but killing the same number of people.



Why? Because IT'S NOT THE GUNS. It's the people. A murderer is going to murder with a knife, a gun, a baseball bat, a car, or whatever other weapon he can get his hands on because, duh, he is a murderer.

The same thing goes for England. They got rid of guns and murder actually went up. Violent crime skyrocketed.

Arm yourself, don't be a victim. Criminals will think twice about robbing armed citizens.
With over 10 times as many citizens, the us has had 884 people shot in mass shootings in the last 20 years. Multiply Australia's POST GUN figure by a nice round 10 and you get 993.

For some perspective, the Australian government killed nearly 1,000 native Australians and allowed nearly 1,000 more to be killed by citizens. Seems to me that the government of Australia is far more deadly than it's citizens with or without guns. Seems like the founding fathers were pretty smart to write a clause into our constitution GUARANTEEING us a right to keep and bear arms that isn't to be infringed for such occasions as an out of control government.

[basnobua]

Originally Posted by EA

While Australia may not have mass shootings, they very much have mass murders.
In the 20 years before they banned guns, Australia had 108 killed in mass murders.
In the 20 years since, they've had 93 killed in mass murder.
The only change is the weapons used. Instead of guns, people are using clubs, gas, fire, and knives but killing the same number of people.

assuming those numbers are right, based on the average population in Australia during those periods

preban deaths: 1 in 299,000
postban deaths: 1 in 455,000

that 93 number includes the 12 snowtown murders which happened over a 7 year period and started before 1996, of the remaining 81, 24 were still gun deaths.

[Packrat1]

The title of this post says in part "You are concerned but what can you do?

Well one thing is not to associate with criminals. Many of the murders are drug related and involve selling or buying drugs. If you are not doing this your risk is less and isn't relevant to the ordinary Joe.

Some are gang related either drive by or retaliation so don't associate or be in a gang. These are criminal on criminal murders drive the total numbers of murders up but really don't have anything to do with the day to day law abiding person unless they are caught in the cross fire. If you live in a high crime neighborhood or gang infested one move. This will lower your risk. This isn't to say there are not murders in Summerlin or Anthem there are but if you have a serious problem in yours try to move if you can.

Sure home invasions are definitely something to be concerned with but you can do a lot to prevent those too. Properly protect your home with good locks, doors, and an alarm system and if you are proficient with them, a gun or taser.

Others are just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some you can't for-see like waiting for your luggage at baggage claim and someone opens fire.

On the other hand, there are other situations that you can prevent. For example being on the Strip at a nightclub at 300am in the morning when all the drunks from the club are spilling out onto the street or parking lot.

Another would be going to a Mini Mart at 400am in the morning in either a bad part or good part of town.

Sensing that something around you is about to go down and instead of watching and gawking at the disturbance you get the hell out of there.

Not getting involved in road rage incidents when someone cuts you off. Letting it go.

Not getting into arguments with perfect strangers in public places especially if the person appears or acts disturbed. Don't watch some crazy guy talking to himself flailing his arms around like a windmill in a business or on the street instead get out of there.

Don't get into face to face beefs with your nutty neighbor because he does something that angers you. Leave it alone or call the Police.

These are some of the things you can do.

[EA]

Originally Posted by basnobua

assuming those numbers are right, based on the average population in Australia during those periods

preban deaths: 1 in 299,000
postban deaths: 1 in 455,000

that 93 number includes the 12 snowtown murders which happened over a 7 year period and started before 1996, of the remaining 81, 24 were still gun deaths.

I don't really care if they use a gun or a knife to kill me. I end up dead either way.
I also do not care how many people are in the population when it happens.

The fact is before and after the gun ban there's just as many people being killed in mass murders. We can sit here and dissect it in 1,000 different ways and get 1,000 different outcomes.
Before and after 100 people died.

[BWNLV]

If guns were the answer, wouldn't the US be the safest place on earth?

[BBMW]

There are something like 300 million guns in the hands of 100 million people. They're not going away. That being the case, people have to deal with the fact that they in the system. That being the case, and since you can, you're better off being prepared with one.

[OmegaSupreme]

Originally Posted by basnobua

assuming those numbers are right, based on the average population in Australia during those periods

preban deaths: 1 in 299,000
postban deaths: 1 in 455,000

that 93 number includes the 12 snowtown murders which happened over a 7 year period and started before 1996, of the remaining 81, 24 were still gun deaths.

Yeah but you're talking to a nonsensical gun lover... They don't do well with per capita statistics

[EA]

Originally Posted by OmegaSupreme

Yeah but you're talking to a nonsensical gun lover... They don't do well with per capita statistics

I don't own nor want a gun. I make more sense than anyone else here. Half the people want more guns. The other half wants less guns because both sides think it's the guns. It's not the guns.
If you miraculously managed to get rid of every gun on the planet, do you think murderers are going to stop murdering? Do you think the white trash wife beater is going to suddenly not want to rage kill his spouse? No, he's just going to use a knife instead.
Do you think the mugger is going to stop mugging people? Nope, he's going to use a knife.
Do you think the problem child is going to stop fantasizing about murdering his classmates? Nope he's going to use a different weapon like a bomb. If you think guns are bad, let some kid set up a couple pipe bombs made out of 10 dollars of home depot materials.
Do you think terrorists are going to give up jihad if they can't use guns? No. they're far more likely to use planes, bombs, and trucks than guns anyway.

Taking away guns or giving people more guns doesn't address the cause of the problem. It's pretty simple stuff.
Step one, comprehensive study on WHO is doing the shooting.

According to my research it's gang members/drug dealers doing the majority of shooting in America.
Step two, address the reason those groups are shooting people.

My research suggest illegal drugs, turf, and poverty are the reasons gang members/drug dealers are shooting people.
Step three, come to a conclusion.

The black market we've created with the demonstrably failed war on drugs is a major contributor to gun violence in America. End the drug war = ending the black market = ending the bulk of the gun violence.



Now that most gun murders are done away with, we can focus our attention on the smaller occurrences of gun violence by returning to step one.

It's such a simple problem to solve if you people would stop with your false dichotomy nonsense we could actually fix our country. But you're not going to do that. The left is going to scream for gun control and gun bans. The right is going to scream for more guns. The middle is going to continue getting shot because the left and right couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag.

[Merrily Gather]

Welp, when the zombie apocalypse happens we'll all be good. Way more guns and ammo than them here.