[thatsrightfam]

Originally Posted by EA

Wow. Most people just call me the opposite of what they are. You got it right.

most people are lower iq and less educated than me. so let's get into these woods. do you think police is necessary? if so, will you have your own private police and I will have my own?

[EA]

Originally Posted by thatsrightfam

most people are lower iq and less educated than me. so let's get into these woods. do you think police is necessary? if so, will you have your own private police and I will have my own?

Not really the place for this discussion, but ideally we'd all be our own police force.
I have a big gun. You have a big gun. We leave each other the F alone.
My thoughts are abolish the police entirely. Chaos will ensue for a bit then order will be restored with a lot fewer people.
The police don't do much other than extort money from people for victimless crimes. It's mainly their existence that keeps some order. Their actions aren't doing anything to quell crime. They're actually making things worse. The police literally took more from people than all criminals combined. 1/8th of murders are done by police. The drug war is the cause of most murders, thefts, and other crimes. The police are at the forefront of that. I'd much rather see a populous that was self sufficient protect itself from one another than the totalitarian police state we have. If you want more, message me. I'll happily discuss all you want.

[thatsrightfam]

Originally Posted by EA

Not really the place for this discussion, but ideally we'd all be our own police force.
I have a big gun. You have a big gun. We leave each other the F alone.
My thoughts are abolish the police entirely. Chaos will ensue for a bit then order will be restored with a lot fewer people.
The police don't do much other than extort money from people for victimless crimes. It's mainly their existence that keeps some order. Their actions aren't doing anything to quell crime. They're actually making things worse. The police literally took more from people than all criminals combined. 1/8th of murders are done by police. The drug war is the cause of most murders, thefts, and other crimes. The police are at the forefront of that. I'd much rather see a populous that was self sufficient protect itself from one another than the totalitarian police state we have. If you want more, message me. I'll happily discuss all you want.

Why not discuss in public? Hopefully others can learn something. If they censor us then we can move to private.

1. "Not really the place for this discussion, but ideally we'd all be our own police force.
I have a big gun. You have a big gun. We leave each other the F alone."

That simply won't work. For many reasons. The primary being that we don't leave each other the F alone. We never have and never will. That's not human nature. A certain % of the population will commit crime. It's not practical for each person to run their own police force. I'm giving you just one example of a service that's not practical to "ancap". What about the courts? Jails? Military? Fire? Emergency medical? Not even going into stuff like water supply which is more debatable.

2. If you think about it police are private company. A state is a tribe. The tribe decides to oursource and centralize its policing needs because it makes sense and hires what's known as the police. It's collective buying. And it makes sense. You don't want your wife doing her own investigations after someone steals her car. She's not good at it and probably neither are you. So you say, "OK I will hire company ABC Police"... well you already are through the social contract of your municipality (tribe) with your local PD. Is it perfect? No but nothing is.

3. You can bet your ass chaos will ensue. And it will not go back to being pretty after a little while. It will go back to the rule of the strong - tribal stuff with tribal leaders, etc. And in a few centuries or thousands of years it will again crystallize into... you guessed it? A state. A state is nothing more than social contract that humanity has naturally arrived to after starting off as monkeys in caves and jungles. Look at a prison. Even prisoners run their own "state". Yes, it's very oppressive but there is order. Listen, even monkey tribes in the jungle run their own "states". States are natural. We are social, group creatures demanding hierarchy and order.

4. "The police don't do much other than extort money from people for victimless crimes." - just false. I'm a libertarian with a minimal state. So we agree on the Drug War and most "victimless" crimes. The state is necessary to perform certain tasks which are impossible to perform well otherwise. Does that make me a statist? Well, I guess so. A minimal statist, if you will.

5. "Their actions aren't doing anything to quell crime. They're actually making things worse. The police literally took more from people than all criminals combined. 1/8th of murders are done by police." <- We agree on the Drug War stuff but other than that the above is nonsense.

[EA]

You have fun being a psuedo libertarian. I'm going to go be productive.

[FML157]

sucks for the local governments/state because they will lose out on fines, fees and forfeiture revenue (with the amendment, whatever money a criminal pays goes to the victim first and foremost until their restitution is satisfied).

less revenue will make local gov/state look for other ways to get that money back and/or they will cut services.

[thatsrightfam]

Originally Posted by EA

You have fun being a psuedo libertarian. I'm going to go be productive.

OK bud

[thatsrightfam]

Originally Posted by FML157

sucks for the local governments/state because they will lose out on fines, fees and forfeiture revenue (with the amendment, whatever money a criminal pays goes to the victim first and foremost until their restitution is satisfied).

less revenue will make local gov/state look for other ways to get that money back and/or they will cut services.

shouldn't it go to the victim first?

[thatsrightfam]

Guys, I decided on YES. Why? I remember my experiences being of being a victim of a crime and the police and DA not returning my calls. It sucked.

[Cold Warrior]

Originally Posted by thatsrightfam

most people are lower iq and less educated than me. so let's get into these woods. do you think police is necessary? if so, will you have your own private police and I will have my own?

aaand an immediate grammatical error.

[thatsrightfam]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior

aaand an immediate grammatical error.

because good grammar = high iq or good education. fail