[Katie the heartbreaker]

Originally Posted by 08grad

https://taxfoundation.org/summary-la...a-2018-update/

The first thing I do when someone posts a link that does not ring true is I type it into google. The name sounds legitimate, but when I type "taxfoundation.org" into google, the first suggestion is "bias." So from there I find this, among many others.


"The Tax Foundation is a non-partisan wingnut (un)think tank which publishes slanted economic papers about politically charged issues to push a libertarian perspective. The Foundation was founded by and for corporate interests by its own admission,[2]"



"The Tax Foundation is heavily bankrolled by the Koch Brothers"


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tax_Foundation

[08grad]

Originally Posted by Katie the heartbreaker

The first thing I do when someone posts a link that does not ring true is I type it into google. The name sounds legitimate, but when I type "taxfoundation.org" into google, the first suggestion is "bias." So from there I find this, among many others.


"The Tax Foundation is a non-partisan wingnut (un)think tank which publishes slanted economic papers about politically charged issues to push a libertarian perspective. The Foundation was founded by and for corporate interests by its own admission,[2]"



"The Tax Foundation is heavily bankrolled by the Koch Brothers"


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tax_Foundation

It's IRS data.

[EA]

Originally Posted by Katie the heartbreaker

No, they do not. Almost all of the 1% make their money on investments or on their own company's profits. Very few of them work as employees, and it is only employees who cannot take advantage of all the tax loopholes.








In conclusion, if you own a business you do not have to pay taxes. If you are an employee, you do. I now understand why so many successful doctors and lawyers always start their own practice, even know they make very high salaries from their employers.

1st part is absolutely true. They 100% pay more tax than we do. Warren Buffet might pay 13% but 13% of a few billion is a whole hell of a lot more than 30% of 50-100k.
And not to mention 40 some odd percent of Americans pay nothing in tax after refunds and many of them actually get more than they paid back.

It's not a talking point. It's demonstrable fact backed up by irs data.

And speaking of which, attacking the source instead of the claim is the wrong way to go about things.
And absolutely awful source can have the right information and still be an awful source.
But an awful source is not automatically wrong because it's an awful source. This is logically fallacious.



Employers absolutely have to pay tax.

I have to pay employees their pay AND 10.6% on top to the government.
I pay tax on all my sales. I have to pay tax on the income my business generates. I have to pay tax on the utilities and everything else I use.
Businesses pay way more tax than you do even if they get out of most of it.

[jcp123]

Originally Posted by Katie the heartbreaker

The first thing I do when someone posts a link that does not ring true is I type it into google. The name sounds legitimate, but when I type "taxfoundation.org" into google, the first suggestion is "bias." So from there I find this, among many others.


"The Tax Foundation is a non-partisan wingnut (un)think tank which publishes slanted economic papers about politically charged issues to push a libertarian perspective. The Foundation was founded by and for corporate interests by its own admission,[2]"



"The Tax Foundation is heavily bankrolled by the Koch Brothers"


https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tax_Foundation

Aren’t think tanks there to push some kind of perspective? I’m not that familiar with the Tax Foundation, but the least shocking thing in the world is that they’re there to push an agenda.

As a libertarian-ish guy myself, I’d say that corporatist culture isn’t a very good indication that a group is libertarian. We’re a bit more anti-authoritarian than that.

[johninvegas]

Originally Posted by Katie the heartbreaker

The first thing I do when someone posts a link that does not ring true is I type it into google. The name sounds legitimate, but when I type "taxfoundation.org" into google, the first suggestion is "bias." So from there I find this, among many others.


"The Tax Foundation is a non-partisan wingnut (un)think tank which publishes slanted economic papers about politically charged issues to push a libertarian perspective. The Foundation was founded by and for corporate interests by its own admission,[2]"



"The Tax Foundation is heavily bankrolled by the Koch Brothers"



https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tax_Foundation

Bear in mind that Google is a very left wing organization and pushes you to it's agenda. For instance, once I wanted to see about Tennessee and Texas weapons laws. The first few links that Google brought up were links to Brady's anti-gun movement and Bloomberg's Everytown for Gun Safety, neither of which had any information about state specific gun laws, only that weapons were bad, very bad.

And while wiki does give a lot of information, much of it is wrong because anyone can just add information to the site...not to say in this case it's wrong, just don't depend on it to be your only source.

[Commander666]

Google? That great American company that refuses to work with USA govt but is so happy to work with the Chinese govt?

[compwiz02]

Reading this thread. Very interesting and informative. It also matches what I observe in liberals. Democrats tend to dislike republicans and the wealthy because of the idea that the republicans and the wealthy don't pay enough taxes. The idea that they care about getting more money and making poor people poorer. My dad was middle class, was in the military, and worked his whole life and is a strong republican. His attitude was "stop making excuses. get off your ass and go to work." He did not want to spend money on other people who relied heavily on taxpayer money. But he DID pay his taxes.

To say that corporations and businesses do not pay taxes shows lack of knowledge in how businesses and corporations work. Yes, they do get tax cuts but they still pay taxes. I see a lot of anti-Trump liberals complaining "why do I have to 2 jobs and pay XX amount on taxes when he doesn't have to pay any. F*ck him!!!" Hatred and bias usually creates these types of ideas. Who says Trump doesn't pay taxes? He is a mastermind at getting tax cuts but he does pay taxes. Many democrats choose to believe in the idea that he does not. Also, nobody forced you or told you to have more than 1 job and to pay a lot in taxes. It's your own responsibility to figure out how to become financially successful and get the tax cuts so you pay less in taxes.

The socialist belief that employees should get a share of the money business owners make in the business is something I disagree with. Want a share of the company's profits? Invest in their stocks or become a shareholder. This usually means investing some of your own earnings into the company for a period of time and not getting it back right away.

[Commander666]

Originally Posted by compwiz02

Reading this thread. Very interesting and informative. It also matches what I observe in liberals. Democrats tend to dislike republicans and the wealthy because of the idea that the republicans and the wealthy don't pay enough taxes. The idea that they care about getting more money and making poor people poorer. My dad was middle class, was in the military, and worked his whole life and is a strong republican. His attitude was "stop making excuses. get off your ass and go to work." He did not want to spend money on other people who relied heavily on taxpayer money. But he DID pay his taxes.

To say that corporations and businesses do not pay taxes shows lack of knowledge in how businesses and corporations work. Yes, they do get tax cuts but they still pay taxes. I see a lot of anti-Trump liberals complaining "why do I have to 2 jobs and pay XX amount on taxes when he doesn't have to pay any. F*ck him!!!" Hatred and bias usually creates these types of ideas. Who says Trump doesn't pay taxes? He is a mastermind at getting tax cuts but he does pay taxes. Many democrats choose to believe in the idea that he does not. Also, nobody forced you or told you to have more than 1 job and to pay a lot in taxes. It's your own responsibility to figure out how to become financially successful and get the tax cuts so you pay less in taxes.

The socialist belief that employees should get a share of the money business owners make in the business is something I disagree with. Want a share of the company's profits? Invest in their stocks or become a shareholder. This usually means investing some of your own earnings into the company for a period of time and not getting it back right away.

Most of these whiners are so stupid, as many of them already own a small interest in these very corporations they hate thru their retirement and pension funds.

[ddrhazy]

Originally Posted by compwiz02

To say that corporations and businesses do not pay taxes shows lack of knowledge in how businesses and corporations work. Yes, they do get tax cuts but they still pay taxes.

So you recognize that businesses are evading paying taxes. If I steal $10 from you, but give you $1 back, should you be happy?

That's the argument you've provided to accept tax evasion.

[ddrhazy]

Originally Posted by Commander666

Most of these whiners are so stupid, as many of them already own a small interest in these very corporations they hate thru their retirement and pension funds.

Yeah. The 99% are just rolling around in Google stock.