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The issue with NAEP data is that it compares all of CCSD to just the low performing inner-city schools of other metro areas. I'll use Fresno as an example since you mentioned it. Only the some of the students enrolled in Fresno Unified are assessed for the Fresno Metro Area, and these are not schools that rank highly in the metro area.
Clovis North High 95.8 69.9 Clovis Unified
Buchanan High 88.6 55.3 Clovis Unified
Clovis West High 81.6 50.5 Clovis Unified
Clovis High 78.3 48.9 Clovis Unified
Kingsburg High 72.1 46.9 Kingsburg Joint Union High
Reedley High 76.9 46.3 Kings Canyon Joint Unified
Clovis East High 74.8 46.2 Clovis Unified
Sanger High 67.4 40.2 Sanger Unified Edison High 61.6 30.7 Fresno Unified
Mendota High 69.2 29.5 Mendota Unified
Riverdale High 54.7 28.4 Riverdale Joint Unified
Sierra High 61.1 23.6 Sierra Unified
Selma High 58.1 23.2 Selma Unified
Washington High 63.5 22.9 Washington Unified
Kerman High 58.6 22.7 Kerman Unified
Caruthers High 51.7 22.5 Caruthers Unified
Fowler High 54.6 20.1 Fowler Unified Bullard High 45.7 19.5 Fresno Unified Orange Cove High 70.6 18.9 Kings Canyon Joint Unified
Coalinga High 58.2 17.5 Coalinga-Huron Unified Sunnyside High 53.6 16.4 Fresno Unified Central High East Campus 52.5 13.7 Central Unified Herbert Hoover High 53.4 11.8 Fresno Unified Firebaugh High 70.8 11.1 Firebaugh-Las Deltas Unified Roosevelt High 38.1 9.7 Fresno Unified
McLane High 35.8 9.7 Fresno Unified Tranquillity High 35.6 8.7 Golden Plains Unified
Parlier High 28 8.5 Parlier Unified Erma Duncan Polytechnical High 48.1 8.1 Fresno Unified
Fresno High 40.2 7.2 Fresno Unified
Cambridge Continuation High 2.5 0 Fresno Unified
All of the high performing schools in Clovis are excluded from the Fresno data. That would be the equivalent of taking out all of the schools in Henderson and Summerlin for CCSD's data, which would obviously skew the results.
In addition, I encourage you to look up how the NAEP is administered. The NAEP is not a test that every student takes, rather a small fraction of the students selected at random to take one of the sections of the test. Compare this with the ACT that assesses all high school students in English, Math, Science, and Reading, or the SBAC which assesses all middle school students in English and Math.
Hey go ahead. Now let us hear why NYC...which has all the schools in the huge area.. does not qualify.
The point you are working of course says simply there is no comparison that can be made of CCSD as it is unique. At that point however the rules of such analysis is you cannot compare it to any other school system as it is unique. So you can make no judgement about it.
So your view has to be that CCSD cannot be compared or judged.
Hey go ahead. Now let us hear why NYC...which has all the schools in the huge area.. does not qualify.
The point you are working of course says simply there is no comparison that can be made of CCSD as it is unique. At that point however the rules of such analysis is you cannot compare it to any other school system as it is unique. So you can make no judgement about it.
So your view has to be that CCSD cannot be compared or judged.
No. I'm pointing out the bias in data that compares an entire metro area's schools (Las Vegas) to only the lowest performing districts in other metro areas. If you're going to compare CCSD to other metro areas, you need to include the suburban and rural schools in that metro area and not just the lowest performing urban districts.
NYC does not use PARCC or Smarter Balanced. They don't require their students to take the ACT or SAT. The only national accountability they have are AP exams, in which only 4.8% of the students in NYC took, and only 2.5% passed. Those numbers are abysmal.
No. I'm pointing out the bias in data that compares an entire metro area's schools (Las Vegas) to only the lowest performing districts in other metro areas.
NYC does not use PARCC or Smarter Balanced. They don't require their students to take the ACT or SAT. The only national accountability they have are AP exams, in which only 4.8% of the students in NYC took, and only 2.5% passed. Those numbers are abysmal.
So you are giving up and admitting that there is no school system that can be compared to CCSD?
So you are giving up and admitting that there is no school system that can be compared to CCSD?
Boy...took you long enough.
Any data that measures all of the schools in a metro area could be used to compare with CCSD data. Washoe County School District is one area that is a direct comparison, but even Fresno would work if they tested all schools in Fresno and Madera County instead of just the schools in Fresno Unified.
The best way to compare is to find a common test between cities, then compare how each school performs on the assessment. Here is how CCSD high schools compare to Metro Detroit high schools on the ACT test:
ACT
Troy 25.4
Pioneer 24.9
Saline 24.7
Adams 24.7
Northville 24.6
Seaholm 24.3
Grosse Pointe South 24.2
Huron 24
Dexter 23.8
Stoney Creek 23.7
Bloomfield Hills 23.7
Chelsea 23.6
Groves 23.6
Skyline 23.6
Novi 23.6
Athens 23.5
Plymouth 23.2
Hartland 22.8
Brighton 22.7
Salem 22.6
Lake Orion 22.5
Berkley 22.5
South Lyon 22.4
Eisenhower 22.4
Canton 22.4
Grosse Ile 22.3
Royal Oak 22.2
Walled Lake Northern 22.2
Grosse Pointe North 22.2
South Lyon East 22.1
North Farmington 21.9
Rochester 21.8
Milford 21.7
Stevenson 21.7
Clarkston 21.6
Grand Blanc 21.6
West Bloomfield 21.6
Davison 21.5
Farmington 21.5
Walled Lake Central 21.4
Fenton 21.3
Linden 21.3 Coronado High School 21.3
Riverview 21.2
Trenton 21.2
Churchill 21.1
Flushing 21
Romeo 20.9
Howell 20.9
Dakota 20.9
Pinckney 20.9
Holly 20.8
Walled Lake Western 20.8
Utica 20.7
Bedford 20.7
Huron 20.6
Harrison 20.6
L'Anse Creuse North 20.5
Carlson 20.5
Oxford 20.5 Palo Verde High School 20.5
Allen Park 20.4
Woodhaven 20.4
Lakeland 20.3
Chippewa Valley 20.3
Fowlerville 20.2
Lake Fenton 20.1
Anchor Bay 20.1
Anderson 20.1 Boulder City High School 19.8
Lakeview 19.8
Airport 19.8
Dearborn 19.8 Moapa Valley High School 19.7
Lake Shore 19.7
L'Anse Creuse 19.7
Flat Rock 19.6
Swartz Creek 19.6
Brandon 19.5
Waterford Kettering 19.5
Franklin 19.4
Roosevelt 19.1
Clio 19.1
Kearsley 19
Waterford Mott 18.7 Arbor View High School 18.6
Green Valley High School 18.6
Desert Oasis High School 18.4
Foothill High School 18.2
Belleville 18.1
South Lake 18.1 Silverado High School 18
Centennial High School 17.9
Monroe 17.8 Indian Springs High School 17.8
Clark High School 17.7
Shadow Ridge High School 17.6
Liberty High School 17.4
Sierra Vista High School 17.3
Any data that measures all of the schools in a metro area could be used to compare with CCSD data. Washoe County School District is one area that is a direct comparison, but even Fresno would work if they tested all schools in Fresno and Madera County instead of just the schools in Fresno Unified.
The best way to compare is to find a common test between cities, then compare how each school performs on the assessment. Here is how CCSD high schools compare to Metro Detroit high schools on the ACT test:
ACT
Troy 25.4
Pioneer 24.9
Saline 24.7
Adams 24.7
Northville 24.6
Seaholm 24.3
Grosse Pointe South 24.2
Huron 24
Dexter 23.8
Stoney Creek 23.7
Bloomfield Hills 23.7
Chelsea 23.6
Groves 23.6
Skyline 23.6
Novi 23.6
Athens 23.5
Plymouth 23.2
Hartland 22.8
Brighton 22.7
Salem 22.6
Lake Orion 22.5
Berkley 22.5
South Lyon 22.4
Eisenhower 22.4
Canton 22.4
Grosse Ile 22.3
Royal Oak 22.2
Walled Lake Northern 22.2
Grosse Pointe North 22.2
South Lyon East 22.1
North Farmington 21.9
Rochester 21.8
Milford 21.7
Stevenson 21.7
Clarkston 21.6
Grand Blanc 21.6
West Bloomfield 21.6
Davison 21.5
Farmington 21.5
Walled Lake Central 21.4
Fenton 21.3
Linden 21.3 Coronado High School 21.3
Riverview 21.2
Trenton 21.2
Churchill 21.1
Flushing 21
Romeo 20.9
Howell 20.9
Dakota 20.9
Pinckney 20.9
Holly 20.8
Walled Lake Western 20.8
Utica 20.7
Bedford 20.7
Huron 20.6
Harrison 20.6
L'Anse Creuse North 20.5
Carlson 20.5
Oxford 20.5 Palo Verde High School 20.5
Allen Park 20.4
Woodhaven 20.4
Lakeland 20.3
Chippewa Valley 20.3
Fowlerville 20.2
Lake Fenton 20.1
Anchor Bay 20.1
Anderson 20.1 Boulder City High School 19.8
Lakeview 19.8
Airport 19.8
Dearborn 19.8 Moapa Valley High School 19.7
Lake Shore 19.7
L'Anse Creuse 19.7
Flat Rock 19.6
Swartz Creek 19.6
Brandon 19.5
Waterford Kettering 19.5
Franklin 19.4
Roosevelt 19.1
Clio 19.1
Kearsley 19
Waterford Mott 18.7 Arbor View High School 18.6
Green Valley High School 18.6
Desert Oasis High School 18.4
Foothill High School 18.2
Belleville 18.1
South Lake 18.1 Silverado High School 18
Centennial High School 17.9
Monroe 17.8 Indian Springs High School 17.8
Clark High School 17.7
Shadow Ridge High School 17.6
Liberty High School 17.4
Sierra Vista High School 17.3
Where is Ad Tech and the other magnets?
One might suspect your bias is again showing.
And all that tends to prove is that CCSD high schools are more homogeneous than those of Detroit.
Where is Ad Tech and the other magnets?
One might suspect your bias is again showing.
And all that tends to prove is that CCSD high schools are more homogeneous than those of Detroit.
They're on my magnet list. They get to filter out their students through an application process. Here is how they would rank among Metro Detroit magnet schools.
Oakland Schools International Academy** 28.8
Macomb ISD International Academy of Macomb** 26.9
Washtenaw ISD Washtenaw International High School** 26.5
Washtenaw ISD Community High School** 26
Genesee ISD Genesee Academy** 25.4
Oakland Schools Oxford Schools Early College** 24.8
Wayne RESA Plymouth Christian Academy 24.1
Genesee ISD St. Thomas More Academy 24
Livingston ESA Charyl Stockwell Academy - High School 23.8
Washtenaw ISD Ann Arbor Academy 23.7
Washtenaw ISD Washtenaw Technical Middle College 23.7
Wayne RESA Inter City Baptist School 23.6
Oakland Schools St. Catherine of Siena Academy 23.1
Oakland Schools Beth Jacob School 23
Oakland Schools Troy Continuing Education 23 CCSD West Career & Technical Academy 23
CCSD Advanced Technologies Academy 23
Washtenaw ISD Early College Alliance 22.9
Oakland Schools Yeshivas Darchei Torah 22.8
Oakland Schools Yeshivas Darchei Torah 22.8
Oakland Schools Wixom Christian School 22.6
Genesee ISD Genesee Early College 22.6
Monroe ISD Monroe County Middle College 22.6
Oakland Schools Wixom Christian School 22.6
Genesee ISD Genesee Early College 22.6
Monroe ISD Monroe County Middle College 22.6
Washtenaw ISD Michigan Islamic Academy 22.4
Genesee ISD Fr. Luke M. Powers High School 22.2
Genesee ISD Genesee Christian School 22.2
Wayne RESA Henry Ford Early College 22
Oakland Schools Our Lady of the Lakes School 21.6 CCSD Las Vegas Academy of Int'l Studies Performing and Visual Ar 21.6
Washtenaw ISD Arbor Preparatory High School 21.4
Oakland Schools Oakland Early College 21.3 CCSD Northwest Career and Technical Academy 21.2
Oakland Schools University High School Academy 20.8
Genesee ISD Faith Baptist School 20.5
Macomb ISD Lake Huron Virtual & Hybrid High School 20.3
Washtenaw ISD Saline Alternative High School 20.3 CCSD Southwest Career and Technical Academy 20.2
Macomb ISD Merritt Academy 20.1
Livingston ESA Kensington Woods High School 19.9
Livingston ESA Hartland Virtual Academy 19.8
Wayne RESA Flat Rock Airport Virtual Academy 19.8 CCSD East Career Technical Academy 19.6
Genesee ISD WAY Academy - Flint, Washtenaw Campus 19.5
Wayne RESA Star International Academy 19.5 CCSD Veterans Tribute Career Techincal Academy 19.5
Oakland Schools Oxford Virtual Academy 19.4
Oakland Schools AGBU Alex-Marie Manoogian School 19.1 CCSD Southeast Career Technical Academy 19.1
Genesee ISD Gateway to College-Mott Community College 19
Macomb ISD Arts Academy in the Woods 19
CCSD is one of the most diverse districts in the country, I don't think homogeneous is the right word to describe their high schools.
The best way to compare is to find a common test between cities, then compare how each school performs on the assessment. Here is how CCSD high schools compare to Metro Detroit high schools on the ACT test:
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They're on my magnet list. They get to filter out their students through an application process. Here is how they would rank among Metro Detroit magnet schools.
Sad, but thanks for sharing.
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I'm contemplating not coming back after winter break.
What did you do?
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