[ddrhazy]

Photos of our hellworld future. The Amazon Flex Warehouse by Dean Martin and Sunset. Plain, boring, brutalist in all the wrong ways.



Dumb money throwing billions into a stadium which will probably never pay it's fair share of taxes, built in an industrial area instead of the 2 major areas of Vegas; Downtown and the Strip. How is anyone even going to get here? AHH the car! So all the people who visit from LA to see the Raiders play are now going to spill over west of the I-15, I wonder how that'll play out?



Don't let major corporations/free market/capitalism fool you. They have no idea what they are doing half the time.

[Hackopotamus]

Originally Posted by ddrhazy

I disagree. I think Vegas can do better.

Why didn't the monorail start at the airport to connect to the casinos?

Why isn't there one grocery store along the strip?

Why don't we have high speed rail from LA to LV when most of our tourists are from there?

Lack of imagination? Laziness? Greed? Corruption? Car lobbyists? Highway lobbyists? Take...your...pick.

Yes, Vegas can do better and I think they are making improvements here and there.


Why didn't the monorail start at the airport to connect to the casinos? That is a good question. I have no idea why they didn't do that and I question it myself.

Why isn't there one grocery store along the strip? Real estate is too valuable there and not cost effective to put one in. Vegas is "coin operated". If it will make money, someone will do it. The Strip is primarily tourist driven and not too many visitors need to go grocery shopping. Besides, all the casinos and restaurants want people eating there and not making their own meals.

Why don't we have high speed rail from LA to LV when most of our tourists are from there? Not cost effective or geographically workable. The cost would be enormous and who would pay for it? Most of it would be in CA and do CA residents want their tax dollars spent of a rail to go out of state?

Where would it start in CA? Barstow? Victorville? Riverside? The SoCal area is huge and half the time on the road is spent just getting out of town. If you have to drive to any of those locations to catch a train, most people are just going to figure they are close enough, may as well just drive the rest of the way. Then they have their vehicle with them, don't have to deal with transferring luggage and all their stuff on to a train and then to a hotel/casino. Plus, not everyone stays on the strip.

The biggest down side is the availability of cheap airfare. You can fly out of LAX, OC, Ont, Burbank, San Diego and be in Vegas in an hour or so.

[ddrhazy]

Originally Posted by Commander666

Well, considering in Portland 26.61% of drivers had an at fault accident last year, I'd rather walk just about anywhere else.

LoL, you'd rather walk in some cookie cutter Levvit town suburb than the skinny streets in Portland? Please. Stop lying.

[ddrhazy]

Originally Posted by Hackopotamus

Yes, Vegas can do better and I think they are making improvements here and there.


Why didn't the monorail start at the airport to connect to the casinos? That is a good question. I have no idea why they didn't do that and I question it myself.

Why isn't there one grocery store along the strip? Real estate is too valuable there and not cost effective to put one in. Vegas is "coin operated". If it will make money, someone will do it. The Strip is primarily tourist driven and not too many visitors need to go grocery shopping. Besides, all the casinos and restaurants want people eating there and not making their own meals.

Why don't we have high speed rail from LA to LV when most of our tourists are from there? Not cost effective or geographically workable. The cost would be enormous and who would pay for it? Most of it would be in CA and do CA residents want their tax dollars spent of a rail to go out of state?

Where would it start in CA? Barstow? Victorville? Riverside? The SoCal area is huge and half the time on the road is spent just getting out of town. If you have to drive to any of those locations to catch a train, most people are just going to figure they are close enough, may as well just drive the rest of the way. Then they have their vehicle with them, don't have to deal with transferring luggage and all their stuff on to a train and then to a hotel/casino. Plus, not everyone stays on the strip.

The biggest down side is the availability of cheap airfare. You can fly out of LAX, OC, Ont, Burbank, San Diego and be in Vegas in an hour or so.

I just don't buy it. You think that 10 souvenir shops along LV BLVD are more valuable than ONE grocery shop? Hell, even Walgreens could put a grocery store in their LV BLVD branch, but...nope, we don't have one.

LAX is at capacity, cannot be built out further and they forsee more flights. At a certain point, you can't jam more planes flying in and out of there. And everyone drives into LAX and it's just an ever growing problem that is getting worse.

There's always an excuse. The money isn't there. It's not practical. It's all BS. There are certain industries who benefit from pushing you to the lousiest form of service(the highway and airplanes). We never talk about how much highways cost or the time wasted navigating them.

The American car culture is a large arm of unfettered vulture capitalism.

[Hackopotamus]

Originally Posted by ddrhazy

Photos of our hellworld future. The Amazon Flex Warehouse by Dean Martin and Sunset. Plain, boring, brutalist in all the wrong ways.


Please explain. It's a warehouse. I'm not sure what you expect it to be.


Dumb money throwing billions into a stadium which will probably never pay it's fair share of taxes, built in an industrial area instead of the 2 major areas of Vegas; Downtown and the Strip. How is anyone even going to get here? AHH the car! So all the people who visit from LA to see the Raiders play are now going to spill over west of the I-15, I wonder how that'll play out?


I have mixed feelings on the stadium but you can see from your photos that is is right across the freeway from the strip. People will Uber, taxi or bus to the stadium. I imagine casinos will probably have shuttle service as well.
The stadium is going to pull in thousands of people from all over the country when the Raiders play the away teams. People are going to stay over after the game for the whole Vegas experience the same as conventions do. Vegas has tons of conventions including the world's biggest, SEMA.

As far as paying for itself, I think the stadium will have a better chance of overall revenue generation than any statium in most other cities. People from all over the world want to come to Vegas and having a game there is a good excuse for them to come. I'm sure they will also have concerts and other sports events there.


Don't let major corporations/free market/capitalism fool you. They have no idea what they are doing half the time.

The bottom line is that the stadium is being built so nothing you can do about it now. Hopefully, it will generate enough tourism money to offset the costs.

[ddrhazy]

Yup. It is being built. And there is nothing I can do to stop it. Just don't be fooled that it is some awesome place. The mere fact that businesses are buying parcels around the stadium for top dollar when the anatomy of the area is a mess shows that people have NO CLUE on city planning/building.

[Hackopotamus]

Originally Posted by ddrhazy

I just don't buy it. You think that 10 souvenir shops along LV BLVD are more valuable than ONE grocery shop? Hell, even Walgreens could put a grocery store in their LV BLVD branch, but...nope, we don't have one.

LAX is at capacity, cannot be built out further and they forsee more flights. At a certain point, you can't jam more planes flying in and out of there. And everyone drives into LAX and it's just an ever growing problem that is getting worse.

There's always an excuse. The money isn't there. It's not practical. It's all BS. There are certain industries who benefit from pushing you to the lousiest form of service(the highway and airplanes). We never talk about how much highways cost or the time wasted navigating them.

The American car culture is a large arm of unfettered vulture capitalism.

Wow, you really hate cars, huh?


Why do you want a grocery store on the strip so badly? Who do you think is going to shop there? How many people live full time on the strip? How many of those that do would actually go grocery shopping? There is a reason that the souvenir shops are there. They cater to the tourist demographic. That is who is spending money on the strip. It's like asking why there isn't a grocery store in Disneyland.


Reasons aren't excuses. Yes, there are costs associated with any form of transpiration. The cost of trains is just too high and not practical. Even if you did build a train to Vegas many people will still choose to drive or fly. LAX at capacity is irrelevant too. There are many other airports for SoCal residents to use and most people I know avoid LAX. So again, they prefer to drive or use ONT, OC, etc.

I don't believe your conspiracy theory that the massive auto and airline complexes are stiffing a train route. If trains were cost efficient then those industry people would build their own trains.

[ddrhazy]

Yes. I really hate cars.

It's difficult to prove but what other explanation can you come up with? You think nobody wants to buy fresh produce in those high rise condos that are on the strip? NOT ONE PERSON? What's the point of living in the faux-urban area if you still need a car to shop?

Oh right. You can just get your groceries delivered.

What's the point of living on the strip then if you're going to invent away all the reasons to even step outside your condo?

Maybe it's a conspiracy. Maybe it's just a lot of coincidences that have caused Vegas to be this artificial. But it's a problem. A huge one.

[longviewJoe]

ddrhazy-
I hope you are taking blood pressure meds because you are getting pretty worked up here. Stay calm. We all agree Vegas, and most other cities, can do better in some ways. However, not everybody wants the city exactly that you want. Just because you say it's better doesn't mean it is. Other people see things differently than you. Deep breaths....

You posted pictures of Southern Highlands with some negative comment and pictures of downtown with some positive comment. I see it exactly opposite of you. The pictures of Southern Highlands look GREAT to ME and the pictures of downtown look like a place I don't want to be unless I am looking to go to a dive bar and see how the other half live. That's ok though. We can both live in the same city. Something for everybody. Don't go out to Southern Highlands or Summerlin so you don't have to see the McMansions, wide streets, etc.... I will try to stay out of downtown so I don't have to see filth and homeless people. Win-win!

[ddrhazy]

I don't go to Southern Highlands. Why would I? There's nothing there. I just want the remaining empty parcels of Clark County to not be built the same way. You don't double down on a stupid idea.