[Sydney123]

F.Y.I. It’s not a “fruit stand”, it’s an agricultural check point. You can’t get fruit there... more often than not they’ll take away your fruit.

[Vic Romano]

Originally Posted by ny789987

80% of the city’s problems would be eliminated

If people from outside CA and NV would quit making irrelevant and uninformed comments, 99% of aggravation would be eliminated.

[WisconsinVegasHeights]

Originally Posted by ddrhazy

If OP wants cheap housing, you can go to the rust belt cities that NAFTA and free trade killed. Plenty of nice turn key ready properties available for 50k. Of course unemployment is high in those areas. Are you adventurous and entrepreneuring enough to make a new economy in an area that neo-liberalism has sacrificed for cheaper goods?

Also, Jackson, MS. cost of living is 30 percent less than Las Vegas.

[WisconsinVegasHeights]

Originally Posted by ddrhazy

If OP wants cheap housing, you can go to the rust belt cities that NAFTA and free trade killed. Plenty of nice turn key ready properties available for 50k. Of course unemployment is high in those areas. Are you adventurous and entrepreneuring enough to make a new economy in an area that neo-liberalism has sacrificed for cheaper goods?

I would add that Gary, Indiana is ground Zero for what you are alluding to.

[ddrhazy]

Lots of places in USA with low housing prices. Vegas is by no means cheap anymore.

[kttam186290]

Originally Posted by ny789987

80% of the city’s problems would be eliminated

I've always said, if it weren't for Californians, Las Vegas would look like Searchlight and Reno would look like Hawthorne.

So, do yourself a favor and remove your hand from your lap, wipe your keyboard off and add your current garments to your laundry.

[BBMW]

If it happened now, that might be the case. But I think if you go back 10-15 years, without question they wouldn't have. The recent mass migration of ex(sort of)-Californians flipped it at some point in there. It likely happened with the fed forced Cali to disgorge its prison system, and a lot of the ex-cons moved to NV.

Originally Posted by lvmensch

I suspect that Nevada would try to leave with California. Much more in common with CA than the rest of the US.

[kttam186290]

How many times do we have to go over this subject????

The "Greatest Generation" (WWII men and women) were the first solidly middle class people who brought their assets to Las Vegas upon retirement. They came in the mid-to-late 1990s mostly from LA, Orange County, San Diego and other California locales to retire in Green Valley and Summerlin. Del Webb and the Hughes Corp. specifically marketed its ads to them. Plus, there was this fantasy of Las Vegas being the home of showgirls, endless buffets, Liberace, Elvis, the rat pack, etc. This is about the same time when golf courses were being built over the desert floor ad nauseam.

They were then followed by the first wave of Boomers (ca. 2002--2007) who still had a great deal of inherited wealth from their Greatest Gen parents and grandparents. This is also the generation that lives beyond their means, because life has generally blessed most of them with prosperity (which, if were honest about it, goes back to the New Deal and other government programs that benefitted their Greatest Gen parents). The Boomers who came to Las Vegas largely came from the same Southern California locales as their parents, but many also arrived from the the Bay Area, the Midwest, the Northeast and Southeast. Under the Boomer generation, a ton of federal legislation was passed that eased the regulatory markets and allowed a lot of foreign investment into the U.S.

Then came the crash in 2008--2009.

A lot of people lost a lot of money everywhere: retirements, 401ks, 403bs, etc. Many Boomers had to leave Nevada and go back to stay with family where they originally came from. The only people who made it through were those lucky enough to have solid state/government pensions. Foreign investors came in to Las Vegas from China, Canada and Saudi Arabia and bought property at fireside prices. They had no intention of living there, of course. So they rented everything out.

Las Vegas got two generations of solid middle-class to upper-middle-class Californians to help boost its economy. The latest California transplants aren't as wealthy, tend to favor multifamily living arrangements, have recent immigrant backgrounds and use more social assistance than previous migrations.

Oregon and Arizona, California's other two border states, aren't faring much better, either, as far as the influx in concerned. Arizona is largely attracting bigoted/racist retirees and people with minimal educational attainment. Oregon is attracting the same demographic, albeit those who fancy themselves as avant garde and "organic" minded

As for the youngest Gen Xr's and Millennial Californians, they aren't as enamored of Las Vegas as the Boomers and Greatest Gen were. They've seen what havoc a "credit card" lifestyle brings. They aren't as interested in playing "spin to win" because they've got a lot more to lose than Greatest Gen and Boomers did. There isn't a huge middle class in the younger generations and there isn't a penchant for excess either.

So, in Las Vegas -- a town built on 'building for the sake of building' -- you take what you can get, which will be some wealthy barons trying to tax dodge their obligations to other states, a few upper-middle class Boomers retiring on generous state pensions, and lots and lots of lower class people who are refugees from California's transformation into a tech/knowledge-based super economy.

That's just what happened.

If you don't like Nevada and Las Vegas anymore, there's always Kingman,Arizona or St George Utah, two hours in either direction!

[BBMW]

Socio-political opinion masquerading as economics.

The millennials go to Vegas in droves. They just drop their money in clubs and restaurants instead of on the casino floor. It's not Boomers who drive the mega-club craze. The casino companies don't care either way. And, actually I think the casinos are missing a big marketing opportunity by not figuring out how to lure the clubbers into the casino.

And if they can't afford to live in LA, but want to be connected to the LA economy, they also move to Vegas. I think remote workers are a big driver in the LV RE market right now.

Originally Posted by kttam186290

How many times do we have to go over this subject????

The "Greatest Generation" (WWII men and women) were the first solidly middle class people who brought their assets to Las Vegas upon retirement. They came in the mid-to-late 1990s mostly from LA, Orange County, San Diego and other California locales to retire in Green Valley and Summerlin. Del Webb and the Hughes Corp. specifically marketed its ads to them. Plus, there was this fantasy of Las Vegas being the home of showgirls, endless buffets, Liberace, Elvis, the rat pack, etc. This is about the same time when golf courses were being built over the desert floor ad nauseam.

They were then followed by the first wave of Boomers (ca. 2002--2007) who still had a great deal of inherited wealth from their Greatest Gen parents and grandparents. This is also the generation that lives beyond their means, because life has generally blessed most of them with prosperity (which, if were honest about it, goes back to the New Deal and other government programs that benefitted their Greatest Gen parents). The Boomers who came to Las Vegas largely came from the same Southern California locales as their parents, but many also arrived from the the Bay Area, the Midwest, the Northeast and Southeast. Under the Boomer generation, a ton of federal legislation was passed that eased the regulatory markets and allowed a lot of foreign investment into the U.S.

Then came the crash in 2008--2009.

A lot of people lost a lot of money everywhere: retirements, 401ks, 403bs, etc. Many Boomers had to leave Nevada and go back to stay with family where they originally came from. The only people who made it through were those lucky enough to have solid state/government pensions. Foreign investors came in to Las Vegas from China, Canada and Saudi Arabia and bought property at fireside prices. They had no intention of living there, of course. So they rented everything out.

Las Vegas got two generations of solid middle-class to upper-middle-class Californians to help boost its economy. The latest California transplants aren't as wealthy, tend to favor multifamily living arrangements, have recent immigrant backgrounds and use more social assistance than previous migrations.

Oregon and Arizona, California's other two border states, aren't faring much better, either, as far as the influx in concerned. Arizona is largely attracting bigoted/racist retirees and people with minimal educational attainment. Oregon is attracting the same demographic, albeit those who fancy themselves as avant garde and "organic" minded

As for the youngest Gen Xr's and Millennial Californians, they aren't as enamored of Las Vegas as the Boomers and Greatest Gen were. They've seen what havoc a "credit card" lifestyle brings. They aren't as interested in playing "spin to win" because they've got a lot more to lose than Greatest Gen and Boomers did. There isn't a huge middle class in the younger generations and there isn't a penchant for excess either.

So, in Las Vegas -- a town built on 'building for the sake of building' -- you take what you can get, which will be some wealthy barons trying to tax dodge their obligations to other states, a few upper-middle class Boomers retiring on generous state pensions, and lots and lots of lower class people who are refugees from California's transformation into a tech/knowledge-based super economy.

That's just what happened.

If you don't like Nevada and Las Vegas anymore, there's always Kingman,Arizona or St George Utah, two hours in either direction!

[Willy702]

Always amazes me what people concoct in their minds about a city. Over a million people who live in the city now came from somewhere else, you think their rationale for doing so all fit into a couple of easily explained reasons?