[EA]

The survival rate is 99%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NoMoreRJ]

Originally Posted by equid0x

CBS also ran a story with a crying and hysterical nurse making all kinds of wild claims about the ICU conditions who was not even assigned to the ICU and hadn't worked there in over a year due to bipolar disorder.

Do you remember why Dan Rather was removed as the main correspondent on the CBS evening news?

Any nursing home that did not report infections to the CDC would be at risk of losing their license to operate as well as anyone on staff who had a medical license.

I didn't realize that Dan Rather reported on that nurse's story... Are you saying that because Dan Rather worked at CBS that all CBS news is not accurate? Also, many other nurses have said they were busy and with limited PPE on other news channels. Are they all lying because they all had some incorrect news at one time or another?

Didn't you also get a B or C on a test or 2 in High School? I guess you were wrong on those questions back then, so I guess you are wrong now.

[equid0x]

Originally Posted by NoMoreRJ

I didn't realize that Dan Rather reported on that nurse's story... Are you saying that because Dan Rather worked at CBS that all CBS news is not accurate? Also, many other nurses have said they were busy and with limited PPE on other news channels. Are they all lying because they all had some incorrect news at one time or another?

Didn't you also get a B or C on a test or 2 in High School? I guess you were wrong on those questions back then, so I guess you are wrong now.

Simply pointing out that it's not the first time CBS had been caught broadcasting fake news.

I'd have to seriously question their reporting if they couldn't even verify that the "ICU Nurse" you know, actually works in the ICU.

I'm not sure what my high school report card has to do with CBS' history of making up news stories? I didn't make up any grades on my report card, the teacher did.

Where are all these stories you speak of? What I keep hearing is that hospitals have rooms full of this stuff but they are rationing it to conserve resources.

I see plenty of unsubstantiated claims being made by Liberal Bloggers, Tweeters, and tabloid newspapers.

[tijlover]

Originally Posted by longviewJoe

I am generally pretty liberal and agree with the first part of what you say. However, I think you are off on the second part. It should say 2/3rds of Americans are 2 paychecks away from moving in with someone else like they should have done in the first place. I agree everybody should have a roof over their head but sometimes poor people need to put a few families in a small apartment. It sucks to be poor. I won't deny that. However, that doesn't make them homeless. They should have lived within their means in the first place. My conservative friends often point to the fact that every minimum wage worker has a new iPhone, a late model car and other things that really can't afford. I have come around on that argument and agree with them. Not everybody gets a home to themselves, a flat screen TV and a new iphone. However, being poor and being homeless are not the same thing and you seem to be confusing them.

What's no counted in the homeless statistics, and should be, is good hearted friends/family that let these people live with them, and temporarily adopt them, until they're back on their feet.

If had to charge rent for my roommate of 21 years, he'd be on the streets.

[xofruitcake]

Originally Posted by EA

Number 1 herd immunity requires the masses to catch and develop antibodies to fight off the virus when it comes back.
Can you prove that social distancing is better than herd immunity?
Do you even understand what this means?
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Looks like you are the one that don’t understand what social distancing do. Please find some time and listen to Cuomo’s yesterday or today’s briefing or CA Newsom briefing on how to reopen the economy. They will give you the tutorial why we need to do social distance now and the role of social distancing after we reopen our economy. Social distancing is the mean to control the number of infection within the population at any given time. With social distancing, the hope is that the daily infection count is within what our medical system can handle. But we are not going to get rid of the virus with the lock down. The difference between going through a lock down vs no lockdown is the rate of daily infected patients in a community. Either way, we are heading to herd immunity unless vaccine come before we get to that state. Without lock down, we are guaranteed to get into Wuhan, Italy and Spain situation when their hospital are busted. US, Germany, Singapore, Hong Kong etc shut down early enough and we didn’t get busted. Singapore deserve special mention. They went through lock down, reopen their economy with some limitation (like no big gathering, work from home but most everything else are opened). But in the last week or so, the virus flare up again and Singapore lock down the city again with tighter restriction this time around. There are a few countries in Asia which went through the lockdown and reopen cycle. So we don’t need to debate what to do. We can see their results to determine if a particular action is effective.

All the reopening plans so far include a possibility that if the rate of infection increase to a dangerous level of busting the local hospital, there will be a new shutdown in that community. The reopen plan will identify which industry can reopen and what modification they will need in term of implementing social distancing within their business and still allow them to transact their business (e.g. restaurant will probably have a lot less dense with much more room between table and waiters will probably wear mask. A manufacturing plant like Smithfield;s processing plant in Dakota will probably have to do a pretty extensive modification of their processes and equipment to make sure they can control any virus spreading within the plant. Our local grocery stores already install plexiglass between customers and cashier in the checkout stand and implement restriction to the total number of customers in the store at any given time.). The reopening plan will also spell out the test and trace needs and how to implement them in a given community. The plan will also spell out the number of ICU beds available, medical equipment available etc., how to determine the rate of Covid-19 infection within a community? and what rate of infection is considered as dangerous and sound the alarm for a potential second round shutdown. None of the plan so far (NY, CA, Federal) talked about controlling the level of death patients. It is all about reopening the part of economy that the local health system can support with test and trace embedded . If the plan is too aggressive and failed because it causes too fast of a rate of Covid-19 infection, we will see another round of shutdown in that community again just like Singapore did in the last few days.

[Pineville0493]

Yup let’s open up all the casinos nightclubs for tonight! I bet they will get super packed anyways!

[RationalExpectations]

Originally Posted by EA

Any idiot in the world can predict what already happened...

Economists have difficulty predicting big events in the past - for example, the causes of the Great Depression, the Great Recession, the actual effects of major tax law changes, the actual effects of 9/11, etc.

[RationalExpectations]

Originally Posted by EA

"Shutting down the economy and making people social distance will save many many lives by preventing the virus from spreading."

This is a hypothesis at best.

I understand your point... but then you go on to say:

Originally Posted by EA

Number 1 herd immunity requires the masses to catch and develop antibodies to fight off the virus when it comes back.

The bolded above is also an hypothesis, is it not? At this point in time, I've read we do not know the extent to which antibodies protect that patient from reinfection - if at all. We do not know how long the antibodies last. So far, there doesn't appear to be evidence the virus is mutating such that antibodies won't be effective against a new mutation - but that also is an hypothesis is it not? Appropriate controlled testing employing a rigorous adherence to The Scientific Method subject to transparency in all facets is what is needed, of course. Even then, sometimes results are not reproducible. And sometimes scholars disagree about what can be concluded from research (remember cold fusion?).

EA, I'm not trying to pick a fight here or quibble over semantics. I am not a health care professional and have zero background in anything remotely connected to it.

My point is we must all make decisions in the face of risk & uncertainty, supposition, unproven hypotheses, etc.

[aileesic]

So is it supposed to be the Democrats who want to open up to save the economy? Is it the trumpheirs who want to reopen to save themselves? Is it the liberals who want to congregate wherever and whenever they want so people can look at them? Is it the conservative Christians who don't care about coronavirus because God keeps them from getting it? Is it the Republicans who want to reopen to save their own people? Is this the fault of the racist Chinese? The racist blacks? The racist whites? Everything is so skewed now.. everyone has an agenda and that is every man, woman, and child for themselves. We made it folks. We have gathered in our efforts to destroy the world and it worked.

No answer for the poll since it doesn't really matter. I don't have Total Authority.

[Demtrek]

Wonder if Mayor Goodman is at risk of being exposed if she reopens the city. I mean, will she be riding a bus? Going to a crowded casino or bar? How about a mall?

Reopening the city will allow the virus to spread, bars, casino's, buses......they cant stop it.