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Old 07-29-2020, 01:05 AM
 
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Las Vegas businesses to experience mass layoffs
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kho...s-layoffs/amp/
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:37 AM
 
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A mix of what you mention and the unions fearing job losses. None of what they do makes sense. The sports betting apps require you go in and sign a couple of forms, hand over cash, and then if you lose you have to go back in there to put more money in or take out winnings. Oh and you have to bet from a smartphone, all betting must take place on a phone that can be located.

Compare that to other states which have legalized sports betting. In them you can sign up in about 2 minutes from anywhere in the world really and send money online to your account, in some you can use a credit card, in others you have to use a bank account or a service like Paypal. But its all done in a few minutes, and no requirement to go into any building, let alone a casino. So in about the time it takes for them to announce lineups and do a national anthem, you could have a funded and ready to go sports betting account in a number of states now. The only rule you have to follow is when you place a bet, you must be in that state. Don't need to be there to set it up, don't need to be there to check your balances and don't need to be there to ask for your winnings. And oh yeah, if you want to bet from your computer over an internet connected browser that generally works too, not required to do it just on a smartphone.

Basically Nevada is falling way behind everyone else in this game, but as long as the big casinos and the unions control things in the state things aren't going to change.
Thanks for that. I didn't consider the unions being an issue.
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:50 AM
 
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Las Vegas businesses to experience mass layoffs
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kho...s-layoffs/amp/
I know - can't imagine these poor people!!!!
"MGM says it was hoping the closures would be brief, but has now told tens of thousands
of furloughed workers that if they’re not called back by the end of August, they will be let go."


It is not looking good in our near future - anywhere...thinking Depression. Yikes!
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Old 07-29-2020, 07:51 AM
 
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I know - can't imagine these poor people!!!!
"MGM says it was hoping the closures would be brief, but has now told tens of thousands
of furloughed workers that if they’re not called back by the end of August, they will be let go."


It is not looking good in our near future - anywhere...thinking Depression. Yikes!
Here's the tough thing: the hospitality industry, broadly speaking, will not bounce back to prior levels for quite some time. How long is anybody's guess, but few people think it will bounce back within 24 months.

The question is, what do people do in the interim?

Do they wait in Las Vegas, hoping for a rapid & widespread deployment of a hypothetical vaccine next year, followed by another year or two of the rest of the country's economy getting better, followed by more tourism, convention & business meeting activity being scheduled for Las Vegas so they can try to be recalled by their former employers that might no longer exist several years in the future?

Or do those people bite the bullet and leave Las Vegas with its ~30% unemployment, relocate elsewhere, and start over?

Or do those people take the next 24+ months to gain new human capital (e.g., go back to school) to prepare for a different career far removed from the Hospitality Industry while staying in Las Vegas?

Or something else altogether?

I have the luxury of being retired and I don't have to make such decisions. If I were in the prime of my career, I think I would leave Las Vegas. It is easy to say and painful to do. My reasoning is simply that the Las Vegas economy will be among the last of the local economies to rebound.

Overall, I think Las Vegas needs to encourage a hundred thousand or so currently unemployed people to leave the state. In some fundamental sense, it is cruel to do things to encourage those people to stay here.
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:23 AM
 
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Stick a fork in some if not most of them. The sheer volume of casinos in LV means they need massive amounts of people daily. The question is how many casinos will survive and not file for bankruptcy. We've yet to see the effects of this disaster IMHO
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:33 AM
 
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Call me crazy but I think this is the perfect time to go or get back into school, move or whatever you think is best for your situation. I'm thinking about making a change. I would move if the opportunity came around and it was somewhere I wanted to be.
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:47 AM
 
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What do they retrain for? Many of the trades require years long training and apprenticeships and I expect little call for trades in the near future as construction slows down. Coding, biotech, pharma, etc? Then where do they work? They'll have to leave Las Vegas to find jobs in those fields. Vegas for decades has been a place where someone with zero skills could get a job in the hospitality industry and eek out a living.

Vegas is still overly dependent on hospitality and has been talking about economic diversity for decades. Yes there's more of other types in industry coming into the area but they are still dwarfed by tourism.
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:53 AM
 
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Here's the tough thing: the hospitality industry, broadly speaking, will not bounce back to prior levels for quite some time. How long is anybody's guess, but few people think it will bounce back within 24 months.

The question is, what do people do in the interim?

Do they wait in Las Vegas, hoping for a rapid & widespread deployment of a hypothetical vaccine next year, followed by another year or two of the rest of the country's economy getting better, followed by more tourism, convention & business meeting activity being scheduled for Las Vegas so they can try to be recalled by their former employers that might no longer exist several years in the future?

Or do those people bite the bullet and leave Las Vegas with its ~30% unemployment, relocate elsewhere, and start over?

Or do those people take the next 24+ months to gain new human capital (e.g., go back to school) to prepare for a different career far removed from the Hospitality Industry while staying in Las Vegas?

Or something else altogether?

I have the luxury of being retired and I don't have to make such decisions. If I were in the prime of my career, I think I would leave Las Vegas. It is easy to say and painful to do. My reasoning is simply that the Las Vegas economy will be among the last of the local economies to rebound.

Overall, I think Las Vegas needs to encourage a hundred thousand or so currently unemployed people to leave the state. In some fundamental sense, it is cruel to do things to encourage those people to stay here.
Good thoughts, those are the real questions we'll have to see about. Maybe its 24 months, but who knows. Vaccines could be part of the solution, so could people just accepting some more risk as stay at home fever wears on people. The weekend crowds haven't been bad, they will support a lot of the jobs at the casinos especially if a little of that starts to spill over to weekdays. The business and convention crowd is a real issue no doubt, but that's just real needs to adjust until that business model can return. Its probably 10-20% of the total casino workforce that can't be supported without that, but casinos are a shrinking part of the economy anyways. Ultimately some will leave and some will be discouraged from moving into the area so it probably is a slight reduction in population, but it won't last indefinitely.
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:42 PM
 
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Lawmakers had foresight alright. See Obama's address to the NIH (National Institutes of Health) in 2014. Go to 14 minutes in the video to see how he predicts another pandemic was inevitable and we need to be prepared. But his message was ignored much to our current detriment.
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Agree. Obama's NSC drafted a plan and created a group of experts to be lead the effort should a pandemic occur. The stable genius threw away the plan and fired the people in 2018.

You could say we have no national plan - or you could say we have far too many.

In June of 2019, Congress passed & President Trump signed The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act (PAHPAI)

A previous law (with a near-identical name), The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (PAHPA), was signed into law in 2006 and reauthorized in 2013.

But those three pandemic plans are just the tip of the iceberg.

The problem is not that the United States didn’t have a plan for an international pandemic. The problem is it had dozens of plans, totaling multiple tens of thousands of pages, issued by different agencies and by different administrations, apparently with little thought to how they would be combined or who would implement them. In the process of mandating all of these plans, the government had also created an array of competing and often contradictory authorities in different bureaucracies, which often worked at cross-purposes.

After the avian influenza scare of 2005, Congress did the thing it does best -- demand that somebody else come up with a plan. Congress passed the Pandemic Preparedness and Response Act in December of 2006.

The act ordered the administration to convene a Pandemic Influenza Preparedness Policy Coordinating Committee (PIPPCC), with most of the Cabinet in attendance, to write a plan for a biological catastrophe. The result was, first, a White House Homeland Security Council National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza (WHHSCNSPI), followed the next year by National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan (NSPII). The latter plan contained 233 pages of nebulous suggestions, such as recommending that, in a crisis, the government should be “providing anticipatory guidance and dispelling unrealistic expectations about the delivery of health and medical care.” These general plans in turn birthed numerous individual departments plan, such as the Department of Defense Implementation Plan for Pandemic Influenza (DDIPPI). To supplement these federal plans, the Preparedness Act, and its subsequent iterations, also mandated that The States create their own Pandemic Preparedness Plans, which have to be submitted regularly to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for approval. These plans total yet more thousands of pages.

Even before the 2006 act passed, however, the Department of Health and Human Services decided to issue its own Pandemic Influenza Plan, in 2005, and it issued one again 2009, and again in 2017, with similar vague exhortations. The subsequent versions of the plan contain no discussion of the National Strategies upon which the coordinating committees labored so diligently.

These specific pandemic plans, usually focused on influenza, but with ramifications beyond it, are only a fraction of the government’s plans for biological crises. After 9/11, the government began writing regular National Response Frameworks, published by the Department of Homeland Security, on how to deal with any national emergency, including a biological attack or pandemic. As the most recent Response Framework claims, it is “composed of a base document, Emergency Support Function (ESF) Annexes, Support Annexes, and Incident Annexes.” One of those supporting annexes is the Response Federal Agency Interagency Operational Plan, which says it “builds upon” on the National Response Framework in planning to respond to an emergency, but is mainly just a longer version of the Framework. Another of the annexes birthed from the Framework was, of course, a specific Biological Incident Annex. The Annex claims that it “serves as the Federal organizing framework for responding and recovering from a range of biological threats,” although what the other plans do is therefore made unclear.

To further add to the confusion, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), apparently on its own initiative, created a National Health Security Strategy for the United States in 2009, with updates in 2015 and 2019, describing responses to pandemic and infectious disease outbreaks. Surprisingly, the plan contains no reference to the thousands of pages of pandemic planning from other departments, or even from other plans written by HHS itself.

The HHS National Health Security Strategy was an annex of sorts to the more comprehensive National Security Strategy, issued by the White House National Security Council, which itself also includes plans to deal with an epidemic, and demands the government “detect and contain biothreats at their source.” But the White House also issued numerous specific plans to deal with biological threats outside of the so-called NHSS and the NSS. As a sampling, there was the 2006 Homeland Security Presidential Directive-10, “Biodefense for the 21st Century,” and the 2009 National Strategy for Countering Biological Threats (featuring the peerless “Objective Seven,” which demanded that the government “Transform the international dialogue on biological threats”) and the 2016 National Security Council’s Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Infectious Disease. In the National Defense Authorization Act of 2017, Congress mandated that the White House convene a group of interagency officials to write a specific National Biodefense Strategy, which was released to understandably little fanfare the following year. The strategy offers such inimitable insights as “Biological Threats Originate from Multiple Sources,” including “naturally occurring outbreaks.” Its relation to previous pandemic plans is not clear, since none of them are cited.

The United States has also coordinated with international organizations in creating new plans. In 2005, the U.S. and the World Health Organization encouraged all WHO member nations to create their own pandemic response plans. One might imagine that the innumerable plans already issued by the United States would satisfy this requirement. Instead, the US Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response at HHS created a United States Health Security National Action Plan, which at least admits it “derives from, maintains alignment with, underscores, and supports the goals and implementation plans of other federal statutory and policy obligations, including the United States’ National Security Strategy, the National Health Security Strategy (NHSS), the National Biodefense Strategy (NBS), and other important federal initiatives and partnerships.” It also notes that the Plan was a supplement of sorts to North American Plan for Animal and Pandemic Influenza, written with the help of the health administrations of Canada and Mexico, and released in 2007 and again 2012.

So....
  • The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness Act (PAHPA) of 2006 & re-upped in 2013
  • The Pandemic and All-Hazards Preparedness and Advancing Innovation Act (PAHPAI) of 2019
  • The Pandemic Preparedness and Response Act (PPRA) of 2006.
  • The White House Homeland Security Council National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza (NSPI)
  • "The National Strategy for Pandemic Influenza Implementation Plan" (NSPIIP)
  • Individual Cabinet-level plans, such as the Department of Defense "Implementation Plan for Pandemic Influenza (IPPI)" and The Department of Health and Human Services' "Pandemic Influenza Plan (PIP)"
  • Department of Homeland Security's regularly published "National Response Framework for a Biological Attack or Pandemic (NRFBAP)"
  • "Federal Agency Interagency Pandemic Operational Plan (FAIPO)."
  • The "Biological Incident Annex (BIA)."
  • The "National Health Security Strategy for the United States" published by HHS in 2019, describing responses to Pandemic and Infectious Disease outbreaks.
  • The White House "National Security Council Pandemic Response Plan (NSCPRP)"
  • The 2016 National Security Council’s "Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Infectious Disease (PERHCID)"
  • The 2006 “Biodefense for the 21st Century,”
  • The 2009 National Strategy for Countering Biological Threats
  • The National Defense Authorization Act of 2017 commissioned the "National Biodefense Strategy (NBS)"

The published plans go on and on and on...

Let's not forget the Congress mandated that States create their own Pandemic Preparedness Plans, which have to be submitted regularly to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for approval. Nevada has complied, creating the Nevada Pandemic Preparedness Plan, which has been dutifully submitted to the CDC, where it was perused, and received it stamp of approval.

Because of the piles of unreadable PDFs, no bureaucrat can be held responsible to any of them, and different departments of government, with their own, often-contradictory plans, continue to work at cross-purposes. For example, when Politico noted that the Trump administration was not following the National Security Council’s Playbook for Early Response to High-Consequence Infectious Disease, the administration responded that they weren’t working with that plan anymore, but with some combination of the Biological Incident Annex to the National Response Framework, the Biodefense Strategy, and something called the Pandemic Crisis Action Plan (or PanCAP), whose provenance and even existence was unknown before now.

Want a plan? take your pick.

What are the 3 biggest lies ever told? Oh yeah...
  • The check's in the mail
  • Of course I'll respect you in the morning
    and--
  • "We're from the Government and we're here to help."

Let's not forget politics, of course.

On January 31, President Trump declared a temporary ban on "The entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of all aliens who were physically present within the People’s Republic of China, excluding the Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong and Macau, during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States." There were loopholes: it didn't apply to US Citizens, or to lawful permanent residents of the US, an alien who is a spouse of a citizen or lawful permanent resident, an alien who is a parent or legal guardian of a US citizen or permanent resident, or sibling, or ... etc.

On February 1, members of the extreme left-wing of the Democratic Party lashed out at President Trump, calling him a Xenophobe, a Racist, and demanding yet another Impeachment.

****

At the end of the day, our Federal Government - regardless who is in the White House or controls The House or The Senate - is not not known for its competence or nimbleness.

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Old 07-29-2020, 09:34 PM
 
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Well, regardless of who is running the gov't they'd better get control and get us out of this mess or we'll all be feeling the pain economically and/or physically.
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