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Old 03-23-2021, 07:54 AM
 
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There are LOTS of very bad bills coming out of the Legislature this year. Take a moment away from FB/IG or whatever your flavor of social media is and offer your opinion. If we don't let them know how we feel, a lot of these will go through and affect all of us. Once again, don't complain AFTER the fact. Now is the time to let them know. This is why having a session every OTHER year is good. Having a session every year would just be an opportunity to pass more bad bills.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/p...rices-2312520/

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/Opinions/81st2021/
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Old 03-23-2021, 09:53 AM
 
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Which bills are so bad? Most of them are pretty innocuous.
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Old 03-23-2021, 10:43 AM
 
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the one about decriminalizing traffic tickets gets my yes vote
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Old 03-23-2021, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Here and there, you decide.
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There are LOTS of very bad bills coming out of the Legislature this year. Take a moment away from FB/IG or whatever your flavor of social media is and offer your opinion. If we don't let them know how we feel, a lot of these will go through and affect all of us. Once again, don't complain AFTER the fact. Now is the time to let them know. This is why having a session every OTHER year is good. Having a session every year would just be an opportunity to pass more bad bills.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/p...rices-2312520/

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/Opinions/81st2021/
I agree, a lot of bad bills..

immigration related, motor vehicle related, housing rental related..
and the drug related... seriously have zones where people can inject illegal drugs in the event of overdose, they are helped.

I know this sounds cruel.. but if they overdose using illegal drugs, let them die. its their own choice

Nevada is turning into California.
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Old 03-23-2021, 12:55 PM
 
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the one about decriminalizing traffic tickets gets my yes vote
Agree this is a good one.


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I agree, a lot of bad bills..

immigration related, motor vehicle related, housing rental related..
and the drug related... seriously have zones where people can inject illegal drugs in the event of overdose, they are helped.

I know this sounds cruel.. but if they overdose using illegal drugs, let them die. its their own choice

Nevada is turning into California.
This.
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Old 03-23-2021, 01:10 PM
 
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I agree, a lot of bad bills.....and the drug related... seriously have zones where people can inject illegal drugs in the event of overdose, they are helped.

I know this sounds cruel.. but if they overdose using illegal drugs, let them die. its their own choice
Sounds cruel because it is cruel. The 'every man for himself,' 'die on the street,' 'sink or swim' and 'you're on your own' (YOYO) plans are all social darwinism approaches that are not fitting to use.

We've lost the war on drugs but there's no need to abandon the wounded on the battlefield to die; we don't do that with soldiers so let's not do it to that nice kid who was your neighbor or loved one but is now living under a bridge.

We lost the war on drugs because we approached it with the usual puritanical mindset of religious fundamentalism that sees things as "sin" which must be punished. A lot of people say we are a 'christian nation' but letting people die does not comport to that view.

We went after the drug issue as a law enforcement, crime-punishment construct that drove it underground, just as prohibition in the 1920s drove alcohol underground and created massive "criminal" behavior.

We should be going after illegal drug use as a health-care / social issue and let addicts come in from the cold and get help -- a blood pressure cuff instead of handcuffs.

We can go after drug traffickers from the law enforcement angle but not the users of this trash who are victims. I know there are a lot of gray areas where the wealthy like Charley Sheen can buy all the drugs they want without becoming criminals who rob the local gas station or liquor store but he's an exception.

My bottom line is the war on drugs has failed and now we need less of a police approach and more of a mental health focus. I suspect that someday we'll have to make some of these schedule 1 narcotics available by prescription to addicts to keep them from committing crimes to pay for their habits as we ease them into treatment, and stop them from dying of overdoses from bogus drugs.

I don't see any light at the end of the drug use tunnel using the current approach. Letting people die is not a viable option.
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Old 03-23-2021, 03:20 PM
 
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Sounds cruel because it is cruel. The 'every man for himself,' 'die on the street,' 'sink or swim' and 'you're on your own' (YOYO) plans are all social darwinism approaches that are not fitting to use.

We've lost the war on drugs but there's no need to abandon the wounded on the battlefield to die; we don't do that with soldiers so let's not do it that nice kid who used to be your neighbor or loved one but is now living under a bridge.

We lost the war on drugs because we approached it with the usual puritanical mindset of religious fundamentalism that sees things as "sin" which must be punished. A lot of people say we are a 'christian nation' but letting people die does not comport to that view.

We went after the drug issue as a law enforcement, crime-punishment construct that drove it underground, just as prohibition in the 1920s drove alcohol underground and created massive "criminal" behavior.

We should be going after illegal drug use as a health-care / social issue and let addicts come in from the cold and get help -- a blood pressure cuff instead of handcuffs.

We can go after drug traffickers from the law enforcement angle but not the users of this trash who are victims. I know there are a lot of gray areas where the wealthy like Charley Sheen can buy all the drugs they want without becoming criminals who rob the local gas station or liquor store but he's an exception.

My bottom line is the war on drugs has failed and now we need less of a police approach and more of a mental health focus. I suspect that someday we'll have to make some of these schedule 1 narcotics available by prescription to addicts to keep them from committing crimes to pay for their habits as we ease them into treatment, and stop them from dying of overdoses from bogus drugs.

I don't see any light at the end of the drug use tunnel using the current approach. Letting people die is not a viable option.

you could have all the help in the world, but they won't take it. its one thing to use and maybe overdose.. its another to continually use, don't seek help, and overdose.
its meth heaven here in Florida, unlike I've ever seen in my life.. there's help available everywhere, but they have to agree to "sober up" which they don't.

tons of walking zombies...
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Old 03-23-2021, 03:35 PM
 
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the one about decriminalizing traffic tickets gets my yes vote
Yes! It’s ludicrous to have a traffic ticket be a crime and borderline inhumane. My best friend is a police officer in Oregon and they had a transfer from Nevada who had to explain his “criminal record” - everyone laughed when it was for a speeding ticket! The lieutenant said it doesn’t matter, nobody else considers that a crime so he was hired. But most officers were baffled that our state is so backwards on that issue.
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Old 03-24-2021, 07:10 AM
 
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Sounds cruel because it is cruel. The 'every man for himself,' 'die on the street,' 'sink or swim' and 'you're on your own' (YOYO) plans are all social darwinism approaches that are not fitting to use.

We've lost the war on drugs but there's no need to abandon the wounded on the battlefield to die; we don't do that with soldiers so let's not do it to that nice kid who was your neighbor or loved one but is now living under a bridge.

We lost the war on drugs because we approached it with the usual puritanical mindset of religious fundamentalism that sees things as "sin" which must be punished. A lot of people say we are a 'christian nation' but letting people die does not comport to that view.

We went after the drug issue as a law enforcement, crime-punishment construct that drove it underground, just as prohibition in the 1920s drove alcohol underground and created massive "criminal" behavior.

We should be going after illegal drug use as a health-care / social issue and let addicts come in from the cold and get help -- a blood pressure cuff instead of handcuffs.

We can go after drug traffickers from the law enforcement angle but not the users of this trash who are victims. I know there are a lot of gray areas where the wealthy like Charley Sheen can buy all the drugs they want without becoming criminals who rob the local gas station or liquor store but he's an exception.

My bottom line is the war on drugs has failed and now we need less of a police approach and more of a mental health focus. I suspect that someday we'll have to make some of these schedule 1 narcotics available by prescription to addicts to keep them from committing crimes to pay for their habits as we ease them into treatment, and stop them from dying of overdoses from bogus drugs.

I don't see any light at the end of the drug use tunnel using the current approach. Letting people die is not a viable option.

I'm personally not saying let them die, but spending money to encourage their drug use is not being a good steward of the public's money. Continue to put money into programs to help these individuals get off of the drug dependency and contribute to society. Las Vegas has a good program already, where they are building an area to help the homeless (as well as drug addition) to get off the streets and get them help and hopefully get a job and their own place. This bill is just a waste of the public's money.
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Old 03-24-2021, 07:16 AM
 
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Yes! It’s ludicrous to have a traffic ticket be a crime and borderline inhumane. My best friend is a police officer in Oregon and they had a transfer from Nevada who had to explain his “criminal record” - everyone laughed when it was for a speeding ticket! The lieutenant said it doesn’t matter, nobody else considers that a crime so he was hired. But most officers were baffled that our state is so backwards on that issue.
And what's worse is that they mainly do this for revenue for the departments! Crazy.
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