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View Poll Results: Should Las Vegas ban ornamental grass?
Yes, ban it. 36 70.59%
No, don't ban it. 15 29.41%
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Old 05-02-2021, 09:22 PM
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Ban new building permits
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Old 05-05-2021, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Merry Lee Gather View Post
We don't have the water resources for all the incoming people over the next decade.
I agree.

Sadly, there does not seem to be a political or regulatory method by which we can stop the influx. It seems more than just a lack of political will; it seems there is a lack of power for governments or public utilities to say "no" to new development because of water.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Originally Posted by Merry Lee Gather View Post
You don't want to get me started on climate science.
May I suggest you pick up a copy of the just published book below. The author, Steve Koonin, was a top Obama Administration climate scientist and is a noted scholar. He looks at the evidence on warming and CO2 emissions, with some surprising conclusions base on actual data rather than political dogma.

"Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn’t, and Why It Matters" by Steven Koonin.


Dr. Steven E. Koonin is a leader in science policy in the United States. He served as Undersecretary for Science in the US Department of Energy under President Obama, where he was the lead author of the Department’s Strategic Plan and the inaugural Quadrennial Technology Review (2011). With more than 200 peer-reviewed papers in the fields of physics and astrophysics, scientific computation, energy technology and policy, and climate science, Dr. Koonin was a professor of theoretical physics at Caltech, also serving as Caltech’s Vice President and Provost for almost a decade. He is currently a University Professor at New York University, with appointments in the Stern School of Business, the Tandon School of Engineering, and the Department of Physics. Dr. Koonin’s memberships include US National Academy of Sciences, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the JASON group of scientists who solve technical problems for the US government. Since 2014, he has been a trustee of the Institute for Defense Analyses and chaired the National Academies’ Divisional Committee for Engineering and Physical Sciences from 2014-2019. He is currently an independent governor of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and has served in similar roles for the Los Alamos, Sandia, Brookhaven, and Argonne National Laboratories.
ISBN-10 : 1950665798
ISBN-13 : 978-1950665792

Best Sellers Rank: #60 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
#1 in Climatology
#1 in Rivers in Earth Science
#1 in Weather (Books)

Science-trained novelist Michael Crichton famously summarized, in a 2003 lecture at Cal-Tech: “If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period.”

The issue with Climate Science is it is extraordinarily complex and extraordinarily multi-disciplinary and hence it is exceptionally difficult to extract clarity from the data.

On the first page, Dr. Koonin says, unsurprisingly, "It’s true that the globe is warming, and that humans are exerting a warming influence upon it.”

The heart of the science debate, however, isn’t about whether the globe is warmer or whether humanity contributed. The important questions are about the magnitude of civilization’s contribution and the speed of changes and about the urgency and scale of governmental response.

Without question, the data actually show:

1. "Heat waves in the US are now no more common than they were in 1900."
2. "The warmest temperatures in the US have not risen in the past fifty years."
3. "Humans have had no detectable impact on hurricanes over the past century."
4. "Greenland’s ice sheet isn’t shrinking any more rapidly today than it was eighty years ago."
5. "The net economic impact of human-induced climate change will be minimal through at least the end of this century.”

Dr. Koonin illustrates tornado frequency and severity are also not trending up; nor are the number and severity of droughts. The extent of global fires has been trending significantly downward. The rate of sea-level rise has not accelerated. Global crop yields are rising, not falling. And while global atmospheric CO2 levels are clearly higher now than two centuries ago, they’re not at any record planetary high—they’re at a low that has only been seen once before in the past 500 million years.

Dr. Koonin’s science credentials are impeccable—unlike, say, those of the well-known Swedish teenager you mentioned. He has been a professor of physics at Caltech and served as the top scientist in Barack Obama’s Energy Department.

The book is copiously referenced and relies on widely accepted government documents. Since all the data that Dr. Koonin uses are available to others, he poses the obvious question: “Why haven’t you heard these facts before?”

He points to such things as incentives to invoke alarm for fundraising purposes and official reports that “mislead by omission.” Many of the primary scientific reports, he observes repeatedly, are factual. Still, “the public gets their climate information almost exclusively from the media; very few people actually read the assessment summaries.” He points to such things as incentives to invoke alarm for fundraising purposes and official reports that “mislead by omission.”

The right response is to debate the science and the data. Sadly, politicians assert the science is settled and plan astronomical levels of spending to replace the nation’s massive infrastructures with “green” alternatives, reducing GDP and the US standard of living in the process.

Never have so many spent so much public money on the basis of claims that are so unsettled.

“Surging sea levels are inundating the coasts.”

“Hurricanes and tornadoes are becoming fiercer and more frequent.”

“Climate change will be an economic disaster.”

You’ve heard all this presented as fact. But according to science, all of these statements are profoundly misleading.

When it comes to climate change, the media, politicians, and other prominent voices have declared that “the science is settled.” In reality, the long game of telephone from research to reports to the popular media is corrupted by misunderstanding and misinformation. Core questions—about the way the climate is responding to our influence, and what the impacts will be—remain largely unanswered. The climate is changing, but the why and how aren’t as clear as you’ve probably been led to believe.

Now, one of America’s most distinguished scientists is clearing away the fog to explain what science really says (and doesn’t say) about our changing climate. In Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It Matters, Steven Koonin draws upon his decades of experience—including as a top science advisor to the Obama administration—to provide up-to-date insights and expert perspective free from political agendas.

Fascinating, clear-headed, and full of surprises, this book gives readers the tools to both understand the climate issue and be savvier consumers of science media in general. Koonin takes readers behind the headlines to the more nuanced science itself, showing us where it comes from and guiding us through the implications of the evidence. He dispels popular myths and unveils little-known truths: despite a dramatic rise in greenhouse gas emissions, global temperatures actually decreased from 1940 to 1970. What’s more, the models we use to predict the future aren’t able to accurately describe the climate of the past, suggesting they are deeply flawed.

Koonin also tackles society’s response to a changing climate, using data-driven analysis to explain why many proposed “solutions” would be ineffective, and discussing how alternatives like adaptation and, if necessary, geoengineering will ensure humanity continues to prosper. Unsettled is a reality check buoyed by hope, offering the truth about climate science that you aren’t getting elsewhere—what we know, what we don’t, and what it all means for our future.
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Old 05-05-2021, 12:15 PM
Location: Southern Highlands
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Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
Don’t ban it but make it costly. Anyone who wants it can pay for it.
Done. (years ago.)
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Old 05-05-2021, 02:20 PM
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
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There are MANY lovely "artificial" grasses out there, that take NO water. It's not like that green plastic stuff that used to pass for "astro-turf" in the past!

In desert areas, there should be no need to pour water on the yards!
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Old Today, 01:59 PM
Location: High Desert of California
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We live near the California side of Death Valley. Our valley is facing serious water issues and we may eventually end up importing water. Approximately 10 years ago, we removed the traditional grass and planted Xeriscape friendly plants on a drip system. Other than paying for a gardener to remove the weeds, we've been very happy with the arid loving plants.

BTW we'd have more water except the DWP built the pipeline that removed water from the Owens Valley which has significantly affected our local area.
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