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Oh I'm so sorry... There can be no "CONS" when it comes to Las Vegas only PROS I forgot... Please forgive me for having the audacity to say anything less than enthusiastic praises toward the flawless utopia that is Las Vegas...
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You were doing OK. The only wrong one was the 2 minutes. There are loads of places in Las Vegas where gas or a gallon of milk is a 20 minute round trip.
But you unfortunately continued..
Oh yeah? Where in Clark County does it take twenty minutes to get a gallon of milk? I've lived all over the valley and have never had to go far for anything, I think it's a relatively safe bet to assume that most people who move to Las Vegas won't be burdened with having to go on a vast expedition to get basic necessities.
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That is a flat out lie. There is no statistic anywhere that teen suicide is a huge problem in Vegas. It is unlikely.
Oh it's more likely than you think, and it happens to be reality.
And don't cite some stupid Nevada numbers. They are irrelevant for a whole lot of reasons.
And those reasons mainly being that they prove you wrong... You're quite a character, are you saying those people who comprise the statistics didn't die by suicide? It's all a conspiracy to make Vegas look bad?
"Cite a source! but don't cite a source that validates what you say!" lol..
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How in the world do you think Las Vegas differs from Los Angeles or Phoenix or Tucson or Salt Lake City? You think all those places have verdant acres next to each house?
Please enlighten me where I said Las Vegas differs from all these places?
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Oh - And exactly how is the Las Vegas experience different from the other states of the Southwest? CA spends more money for a worse result. The rest spend the same and all but Utah get the same result.
Again, you're creating some artificial argument like I'm saying these states are any better, as if saying other states are bad doesn't make the Las Vegas public school system a complete joke. But since you mentioned schools in the southwest...
Odd you mentioned California, because it has 8 public schools in the top 100. Where does Nevada rank in the top 100? (Spoiler: It doesn't)
Vegas also has one of the highest high school dropout rates in the country.
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Based on what? Statistics indicate Las Vegas is not free of crime but better than many places. Given the tourist nature that is remarkable. It is good enough for crime not to be an issue...
It's not an issue? Do you own a television set capable of receiving local news channels? Tell you what , if in the next three days someone doesn't get either shot,stabbed,robbed,raped,throws a baby in a trash can, I'll give you $100.
More stats:
"Las Vegas ranked 4th most dangerous in overall metropolitan areas." City Crime Rankings by Population Group
We never thought the strip was novel. Most people go there to work or rarely with relatives.
Many young people come here for the glitz and glamor of the strip from all the media and reality show crap they see on TV. You don't think that's true?
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High density homes are close together. That is so people can afford them.
Right, but it still kind of sucks.
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Your fear of crime being mostly in your head you will take it with you wherever you go.
O.k, I guess it was all in my head when I was at PT's pub on Nellis and Cheyenne and two guys barged in with shotguns and robbed it...
Right, you don' have kids! Why make a statement like that if you don't! Have you seen how many parks there are! There is plenty if you take the time to spend with you child!!!!
Good-Bye!!
I don't have kids but I have common sense, Vegas is not an ideal place to raise kids... Sure there's parks, but what happens when your kid gets to old for mommy watching them on swing set and wants some independence, are you going to let them venture out of the confines of the master planned community to go on a bike ride with their friends? Are you going to let them hang out at the boulevard mall on their own without watching them like a hawk? These are the type of things I got to do as a kid without having my parents worry if I would come back in one piece. I also had this crazy thing called a "yard" growing up.
I can imagine how fun it must be to have your kids with you, as you make your way through a smoke filled casino while your small children are staring at some cocktail waitresses half naked ass, just so you can go to the movies or bowling.
It must also be a great conversation when your walking with your child and he or she picks up one of the hooker porn advertisements off the ground that are littered all over sidewalks... or grabs one from the thousands of yellow containers located all over town. I'm sure that's a classic moment.
This forum is a trip... You guys have an aneurysm if anyone points out a possible downside of Vegas.
I don't have kids but I have common sense, Vegas is not an ideal place to raise kids... Sure there's parks, but what happens when your kid gets to old for mommy watching them on swing set and wants some independence, are you going to let them venture out of the confines of the master planned community to go on a bike ride with their friends? Are you going to let them hang out at the boulevard mall on their own without watching them like a hawk? These are the type of things I got to do as a kid without having my parents worry if I would come back in one piece. I also had this crazy thing called a "yard" growing up.
I can imagine how fun it must be to have your kids with you, as you make your way through a smoke filled casino while your small children are staring at some cocktail waitresses half naked ass, just so you can go to the movies or bowling.
It must also be a great conversation when your walking with your child and he or she picks up one of the hooker porn advertisements off the ground that are littered all over sidewalks... or grabs one from the thousands of yellow containers located all over town. I'm sure that's a classic moment.
This forum is a trip... You guys have an aneurysm if anyone points out a possible downside of Vegas.
I don't live in Vegas, but my husband is being transferred for his job so we don't have a choice and we do have a 14 yo daughter. I appreciate all comments regarding living in Vegas as it paints a full picture of what to expect. That being said, everyone has their opinion based on how they have been personally affected. This I take with a grain of salt. I live in a suburb of Detroit and my news is littered with all the things you talk about negatively about Vegas. I have 4 children with my oldest being 24 and I think that I have taken them to Detroit on very few occasions(Thanksgiving Day parade, maybe). The older ones go on their own for sporting events or local happenings downtown now. Do I worry about them? He** yes! I worry about them driving to work, to the store, to the bar, breaking up with there boyfriends... Yet, we have crime in the 'burbs too. They do not have to go to the city to hear, read or see "bad" things. Things can happen in any park, any school (good or bad). We have a great metro park system here and guess what? Stephen Grant dumped his cut up wife in one of them a couple miles from my house.
As a parent, no matter where you live you will always worry about your kids. We are in a great area (6th safest in US)and I still worry about where my dd is and what she is doing. I don't like her walking alone anywhere, but I don't want to create a hysteria or fear in her. Awareness is key. My ideas of raising children were totally different when I didn't have any. Plus, sometimes you just have to make the best of your situation. The best laid plans can find speed bumps.
I know 2 teens that have committed suicide here and many more that have been sick or passed from illnesses beyond their control. You cannot shelter your children. If you don't talk about it and make them aware of the "ugly" side of the world, they will find out and it will probably be misinformation. I don't mince words with my kids about sex, drugs, alcohol, or relationships. It is not a bed of roses ANYWHERE.
On our way to Las Vegas from Tampa FL..hubby retiring from the Navy...he will be in charge of NJROTC at El Dorado HS. We decided that dry heat is much better than humidity!!!
We have moved 13 times in our career, and Las Vegas isn't as bad as some states we have been in for Education or violence either. Florida has just as many problems as LV, now even more with budget cuts, here the HS dropout rate is 70%!!! So the key is parental involvement, which I'm sure most of you parents realize.
We just put a contract on a house in Lynwood subdivision, which I think is considered Centennial Hills right? I'm still learning all the areas...we looked in Aliante as well, but couldn't find what we were looking for. We are excited to be close to home (both grew up in San Diego) and find out all about this area and become "locals"!! Love to have some insider info about local resturants, etc..
I don't have kids but I have common sense, Vegas is not an ideal place to raise kids... Sure there's parks, but what happens when your kid gets to old for mommy watching them on swing set and wants some independence, are you going to let them venture out of the confines of the master planned community to go on a bike ride with their friends? Are you going to let them hang out at the boulevard mall on their own without watching them like a hawk? These are the type of things I got to do as a kid without having my parents worry if I would come back in one piece. I also had this crazy thing called a "yard" growing up.
I can imagine how fun it must be to have your kids with you, as you make your way through a smoke filled casino while your small children are staring at some cocktail waitresses half naked ass, just so you can go to the movies or bowling.
It must also be a great conversation when your walking with your child and he or she picks up one of the hooker porn advertisements off the ground that are littered all over sidewalks... or grabs one from the thousands of yellow containers located all over town. I'm sure that's a classic moment.
This forum is a trip... You guys have an aneurysm if anyone points out a possible downside of Vegas.
First Yep, I would let them ride a bike in my neighborhood.
Second Don't live by the boulevard mall, but my nephew who is 20 grew up working there and living around there on and off the last 5 years. He is a great kid!
Third have you seen that they actually make entrances to places where you don't have to go through the smoked filled casino. But sorry My family and I don't hang out in Casinos, and very very rarely go to them.
And fourth, they will see less clothed people on TV then on some of those hooker advertisements, or at the beach or the pool. You make it sound like all Vegas is, is the strip and casinos and nothing else. Wrong! Talk to your children is one of the most important things, but oh wait YOU DON"T HAVE KIDS!!!!!!!
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I don't have kids but I have common sense, Vegas is not an ideal place to raise kids... Sure there's parks, but what happens when your kid gets to old for mommy watching them on swing set and wants some independence, are you going to let them venture out of the confines of the master planned community to go on a bike ride with their friends? Are you going to let them hang out at the boulevard mall on their own without watching them like a hawk? These are the type of things I got to do as a kid without having my parents worry if I would come back in one piece. I also had this crazy thing called a "yard" growing up.
I can imagine how fun it must be to have your kids with you, as you make your way through a smoke filled casino while your small children are staring at some cocktail waitresses half naked ass, just so you can go to the movies or bowling.
It must also be a great conversation when your walking with your child and he or she picks up one of the hooker porn advertisements off the ground that are littered all over sidewalks... or grabs one from the thousands of yellow containers located all over town. I'm sure that's a classic moment.
This forum is a trip... You guys have an aneurysm if anyone points out a possible downside of Vegas.
I see you didn't reference my post, and instead tried to back up statements you made that were disproven.
Firstly, of course Vegas has it's cons. Every city in the US does, but the picture you paint is not only extremely bleak and sensationalistic, it is not accurate. So I will repeat:
1. As of 2004 Las Vegas had the 6th highest teen suicide rate in the country, not the highest. Which 5 cities beat us out? I couldn't tell you, it was hard enough trying to find the stats I did (I don't rely on Fox 5 news or the RJ for my stats). Yes, Vegas does have the highest suicide rate in the country, just ahead of Colorado Springs (that's probably a pretty family friendly place, right?). It used to be Alaska. However, I would like to see some stats regarding how many residents end themselves vs. how many non-residents come to Vegas with the express intent of ending themselves. That right there skew the statistics, and should not be included. Nor should you paint Vegas in some negative picture as some soulless hell hole (you did whether you wish to admit it or not) because some unstable moron saw "Leaving Las Vegas" and got all romantic about driving to Vegas to give up on life. I can't imagine that Colorado Springs has a large influx of non-residents coming in to end themselves.
2. You continue to generalize about children without the benefit of any first hand experience. Many homes do still have yards out here, mine for example is rather large. Many of the communities that lack large yards have community park areas. Yes, I would absolutely let my young one explore and experience. I don't live on the strip, so he won't see any of the porn pamphlets. They are not located all over town, they are confined to the strip. Again you try to twist to paint the picture you wish to show and it is not accurate. There are plenty of movie theatres that are not inside of casinos. There are also many restaraunts that are outside of casino walls. There is much, much more to Vegas than you are trying to convey here. I get the feeling that you live behind the Stardust or something, if that's all you believe Vegas to be. Suburbs are suburbs, anywhere you go.
3. Again, you refuse to acknowledge my post on the media's portrayal of crime. Do you think that crime is a new happening in Vegas? It didn't happen 10 years ago? You didn't see it on the news all the time? Did you even watch the news on a daily basis 10 years ago? Just because you are more aware of it, or it is reported in higher amounts, does not mean that crime is significantly higher. As a matter of fact, I believe that crime has gone down in the last few years. Guess what? That does not sell ad space. Again, watch "Bowling for Columbine", specifically the part about how Canadians don't lock their doors and how their news is reported compared to ours. Do yourself a favor and start doing some independent research regarding stats like this. Swallowing what the network media wants you to believe without question will make you nothing more than a mindless lemming. Original thought is a good thing, look into it.
Again, not saying that this place does not have it's cons. So does everyplace else. I've lived all over SoCal as well as Seattle and both places, which are really nice, deal with the same issues. They just have better weather (in my opinion). That weather sure does cost alot of money though.
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Another link to back up what I'm saying. According to this study, as of 2005 Nevada ranked 9th in teen suicide behind Alaska, North Dakota, Montana, New Mexico, Wyoming, Colorado, South Dakota, and Arizona. We were first in senior suicide though (the senior suicide rate out here is astronomical), and second overall. Of course I have already addressed what I believe to be the reason for that, and believe it to be skewed and unbalanced.
I don't live in Vegas, but my husband is being transferred for his job so we don't have a choice and we do have a 14 yo daughter. I appreciate all comments regarding living in Vegas as it paints a full picture of what to expect. That being said, everyone has their opinion based on how they have been personally affected. This I take with a grain of salt. I live in a suburb of Detroit and my news is littered with all the things you talk about negatively about Vegas. I have 4 children with my oldest being 24 and I think that I have taken them to Detroit on very few occasions(Thanksgiving Day parade, maybe). The older ones go on their own for sporting events or local happenings downtown now. Do I worry about them? He** yes! I worry about them driving to work, to the store, to the bar, breaking up with there boyfriends... Yet, we have crime in the 'burbs too. They do not have to go to the city to hear, read or see "bad" things. Things can happen in any park, any school (good or bad). We have a great metro park system here and guess what? Stephen Grant dumped his cut up wife in one of them a couple miles from my house.
As a parent, no matter where you live you will always worry about your kids. We are in a great area (6th safest in US)and I still worry about where my dd is and what she is doing. I don't like her walking alone anywhere, but I don't want to create a hysteria or fear in her. Awareness is key. My ideas of raising children were totally different when I didn't have any. Plus, sometimes you just have to make the best of your situation. The best laid plans can find speed bumps.
I know 2 teens that have committed suicide here and many more that have been sick or passed from illnesses beyond their control. You cannot shelter your children. If you don't talk about it and make them aware of the "ugly" side of the world, they will find out and it will probably be misinformation. I don't mince words with my kids about sex, drugs, alcohol, or relationships. It is not a bed of roses ANYWHERE.
Thanks for your take on it.
Yes, sadly there are problems everywhere you go, that's just a fact of life... But there certain places that have more problems than others and that should be taken into consideration.
You can raise kids in Vegas who turn out to be great and successful people there's no doubt about that. Some of my best friends have lived here all their lives, but it's a drastically different Vegas from when they grew up here.
Vegas just wouldn't be my first pick to raise a family, that's just my personal opinion, but I base that opinion on two things: What I value personally, and on facts... Facts that many people on this board apparently choose to dismiss, ignore or refuse to accept for some reason. The facts are, there is a growing crime rate and it IS an issue. The Vegas school system is not good, we rank in the bottom tier in almost every category. We have one of the highest, if not THE highest high school drop out rate in the country. There ARE gangs and violence in many of the schools. Teen suicide rates ARE a huge problem.
I'm not trying to scare you or make you paranoid about moving here, I'm just telling it like it is... the good and the bad. Just do some research, and make sure you move to a nice area if you can, and possibly enroll your kids in a private school if you can afford it. Either way I hope every thing works out for you and wish your family the best in Las Vegas.
I see you didn't reference my post, and instead tried to back up statements you made that were disproven.
What exactly is disproven?
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Firstly, of course Vegas has it's cons. Every city in the US does, but the picture you paint is not only extremely bleak and sensationalistic, it is not accurate. So I will repeat:
It's not bleak and sensationalistic it's just reality... There's growing crime, the schools are poor and they are becoming dangerous, two kids were shot in like one week apart from each other a few months ago. Bringing up the fact that other big cities have problems doesn't make Vegas's go away. Plus I wouldn't call Vegas a "big city" like many posters have.
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1. As of 2004 Las Vegas had the 6th highest teen suicide rate in the country, not the highest.
What year are we in now?
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You continue to generalize about children without the benefit of any first hand experience.
Do I need first hand experience being lit on fire to know it's not the best thing in the world?
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Yes, I would absolutely let my young one explore and experience.
I wouldn't. Heres a map of registered sex offenders, the red sqaures are the ones who rape kids. I see an awful lot of red squares. How many red squares in your neighborhood?
I don't live on the strip, so he won't see any of the porn pamphlets. They are not located all over town, they are confined to the strip. Again you try to twist to paint the picture you wish to show and it is not accurate.
What are you never going to take your kids down there? There's alot of fun stuff for kids on the strip, NY NY rollercoaster, fun and games (is that still there? lol) Circus Circus, top of the stratosphere etc...
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There are plenty of movie theatres that are not inside of casinos. There are also many restaraunts that are outside of casino walls. There is much, much more to Vegas than you are trying to convey here. I get the feeling that you live behind the Stardust or something, if that's all you believe Vegas to be. Suburbs are suburbs, anywhere you go.
There's a few standalone movie theaters but they kind of suck except for village square... And every time I go bowling I go to a casino. I never said there weren't restaurants located outside of casinos. I live in Summerlin.
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3. Again, you refuse to acknowledge my post on the media's portrayal of crime. Do you think that crime is a new happening in Vegas?
Are you saying these crimes aren't really happening? The media is fabricating these stories to make more money? Come on , when local news breaks they cover it, simple as that, if someone gets shot they tell us about it. It's not a conspiracy, it's not the media that makes Vegas look bad, it's the crime and negative things that happen in Vegas that make Vegas look bad. If you think crime is going down you must be delusional.
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Another link to back up what I'm saying. According to this study, as of 2005
What year are we in?
Also, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be crying foul if listed a bunch of positive statistics about Vegas... Odd it's only when the numbers paint a picture you don't like, then all of a sudden the statistics are biased, skewed, and irrelavent.
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