[dynimagelv]

Originally Posted by jfkIII

[R2A4...tried to rep you...but I gotta spread the love around. Thanks for understanding...wasted wit and humor is sad...but I still get some fun out of it at the giving end.]

hmmm would that make you a...............






half-wit?

[dynimagelv]

Originally Posted by las vegas drunk

That simply is not true. Watch these links....

I have often thought that ALLL of the 'systems' were subsidised by the Casinos....for every 10,000 that try....1 person is successfull..... remember....loosers n liars.

[Buzz123]

Originally Posted by las vegas drunk

That simply is not true. Watch these links....

Dominator on the History Channel


YouTube - Practicing Craps Shooting Promo

If you believe that, I'd like to interest you in some swampland in Florida.

[Yeti]

Originally Posted by jjameson922

There WAS a small edge in blackjack if the player counted cards, knew precision blackjack, managed his bankroll properly and understood bet management. I played for years on the strip and even in tournaments doing quite well. Once Shufflemaster came out with the continuous shuffle machines the edge was gone. Now the shoe never reaches a moot point so a player cannot take advantage of card counting in deck penetration. As Yeti said, with a large enough bankroll and limited exposure to the tables, a player can take advantage to some extent of the times he gets a run up and factoring in the casino perks he is given, get out a little ahead. But it is gambling, educated gambling at best, and definately not something anyone could ever base a monthly budget on.

Educated players will not touch a continuous shuffle machine table and most of the tables that have those are pretty low stakes. $25 and up tables are either hand or machine shuffle.

6 decks are better than 8 and shoe penetration is important. Find a dealer with deep penetration and you have a much better chance of winning. (there is no way to say that that does not sound dirty)

[ClarkGrisowld]

I've tried several times with the basic +1/-1 true count. Gotten some nice favorable counts and have always gotten cleaned. Clearly that system is probably not sufficient, or more precisely you are still only talking a nominal edge, and 51 or even 60% can still bust you pretty easily.

The other thing about card counting is, surprise, the dealer has the same shot of getting cards as you do. What is really swaying your edge is the increased probability of blackjack and doubling down if the dealer is showing a garbage card. I suppose if you are the first one to get cards and it's a full table your odds of getting good cards are slightly better than the dealer

[ClarkGrisowld]

Originally Posted by Buzz123

If you believe that, I'd like to interest you in some swampland in Florida.

That guy (and I know he's written numerous best selling gambling books) just LOOKS like a huckster.

LOL, one of the youtube videos shows the Dominator rolling. It's "yep, hard 10....yep, hard 6....yep, 8". He just tells you this, they don't even bother to show the dice.


would be a cool little experiment to make a mechanical contraption which would "throw" the dice exactly the same every time and see if there is any science to this.

[Yeti]

Originally Posted by ClarkGrisowld

I've tried several times with the basic +1/-1 true count. Gotten some nice favorable counts and have always gotten cleaned. Clearly that system is probably not sufficient, or more precisely you are still only talking a nominal edge, and 51 or even 60% can still bust you pretty easily.

The other thing about card counting is, surprise, the dealer has the same shot of getting cards as you do. What is really swaying your edge is the increased probability of blackjack and doubling down if the dealer is showing a garbage card. I suppose if you are the first one to get cards and it's a full table your odds of getting good cards are slightly better than the dealer

Card Counting is not about knowing what cards are coming, its about knowing when to bet big that the dealer cant make their hand. the count will just tell you when a shoe is rich in 10's (or high count cards), not who is going to get them. In a Shoe that is full of high cards, the dealer has just a good of chance as getting them as you do.

I can count at home, not in a Casino. Well, I can count single deck in an empty casino, but thats about it. Too much distraction for me to be able to do it for real. I was at MGM on a double deck table and I was counting, keeping an accurate count, betting appropriately, huge swing in bets based on the count. took about 2 shuffles before the pit boss caught on to what I was doing. Now, I have already admitted I cant count that good, so here is the scene, just me and the dealer, I am concentrating furiously on the cards and not talking (so i can keep the count) and making my plays very slow (to give me more time to count right). Swinging bets between $25 and $300. Pit boss just comes up and starts talking to me. At first I tried just ignoring him, but her presisted, questions on where I live, what kind of work, you name it, small talk and banter. i dropped the count, lost a $200 bet, and gave up and played on the luck streak. Still did ok though.

Funny thing is once at the Strat the same thing happened, except i wasn't counting. Just got lucky as hell and caught a run like you couldn't believe. I think won every hand against a dealer head to head out of a shoe. About halfway through the pit boss was there staring me down, but I sat there the entire time talking to him, not even really paying attention to the cards, just betting at random. I won like $1500 in like 8 minutes, cashed in my chips, and the boss was like "Are you leaving?' I was like "hell yeah, I made $1500 in 5 minutes dude, I aint giving it back." I've been kinda afraid to go back to the Strat after that.....

[Fastrudy]

see if there is any science to this.

Of course there is a science to it and it is called physics. In order to predict the throw of two dice you need to know some stuff first. After you gather the necessary stuff, you can accurately predict the outcome.
However, the amount of stuff you need is huge. Initial position and mass distribution of the dice, initial velocity, spin velocity and release position. Friction and elasticity of the felt, cushion and the dice themselves. Distances to the cushion with attention to its height. Each collision would have to be analyzed. But once you do that, you should have it made.

[ClarkGrisowld]

Originally Posted by Fastrudy

see if there is any science to this.

Of course there is a science to it and it is called physics. In order to predict the throw of two dice you need to know some stuff first. After you gather the necessary stuff, you can accurately predict the outcome.
However, the amount of stuff you need is huge. Initial position and mass distribution of the dice, initial velocity, spin velocity and release position. Friction and elasticity of the felt, cushion and the dice themselves. Distances to the cushion with attention to its height. Each collision would have to be analyzed. But once you do that, you should have it made.

I actually thought this could be a cool thing for Mythbusters.

Basically, a mechanical arm or air gun that will spit out the dice in about the exact same fashion every time. Count it up. I suppose when I said "scientific" I should have indicated I was talking about an empirical study.

Without question a mechanical throwing arm is more "golden touch" than any human could be. If those rolls don't show anything, then you are done.

[Tiger Beer]

I think it would be MUCH financially lucrative to write a book about the 'possibility' of increasing your edge. I guess when a person has spent that much time and money and resources trying to slightly cut down the casino's edge to a slightly less of a casino's edge...financially it still isn't going to financally do it for you.

Writing a book about it will, however.