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Old 08-31-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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Another aspect of the dating scene that hasn't really been touched upon is how us men must act and carry ourselves in this town. Getting a woman's attention long enough to start a conversation is, in my opinion, the hardest part of the game here. Once a conversation has been established, I've come to realize that being 50% not nice, 35% brutally honest and blunt, and 15% showing good manners, is a great formula to bagging women in this town. Before you go on a rant flaming me for giving bad advice, hear me out..

The women here I've met are indeed mostly into UFC fighters, club promoters, and DJ's; careers and lifestyles that are NOT necessarily rich and famous. When they do meet a guy who makes an honest living and is not any of the above, they find it refreshing when a guy doesn't act like a complete pushover nice guy. (side note: women in Vegas DO NOT like nice guys; it's just not appealing in a city where they are hounded at all times by large men who are very aggressive. You MUST be able to stand up to not nice guys who will disrespect you and your girl at every corner of this city. I cannot stress this enough. Every woman I've been with has told me they love how much of a not nice guy I am/appear to be when it comes to other dudes. You MUST be able to command RESPECT in this city.) They also appreciate when a man can say what he wants, how he wants, with no concern over how the girl may feel about it. However, you must also be sure not to directly offend the girl, for obvious reasons. You have to play the game just as they're playing it - they think they have so many options, so you make them think you ALSO have many options. Make THEM want more of YOU.

It's a game in every city, on every continent, in every culture; this stuff is nothing new. But the point I'm trying to drive across is, if you want to meet women in this city, there's a certain way to do it. LA's recipe is driving an Aston Martin around Rodeo Drive; Miami's is walking around the beach with a perfectly sculpted set of abs; and Vegas' is being an important, busy prick who has no time for small talk because my group of 22 girls are about to show up at the club I promote for.

All in all, it isn't really more difficult to find women in this town than it is in probably any other major city; but if you're going to try, then you're going to HAVE to adjust the way you look at things and the way you carry yourself as a man.

Last edited by VegasMJ; 08-31-2011 at 02:20 PM.. Reason: A$$hole was censored; replaced with "not nice" and "not nice guy"

 
Old 08-31-2011, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Kingman AZ
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That's it....I am NO LONGER amazed....Stunned yes.....amazed NO........

Try reversing it 85% manners and concern for the lady....and 15% Humor.....add in 100% honesty and you'll have to beat em off with a stick.
 
Old 08-31-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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Vegas is really anti intellectual to the point of people calling you for using big words like...intellectual. Still, when you're involved in the fickle and young youth culture...you find that you are surrounded by young, fickle people. It's a tough paradigm to break because the town is not all that big at the end of the day...and you find that you are surrounded by the same sort of insecure, materialistic people no matter if you hang out at Haze or Insert Coins.

Still, you can't beat just being yourself and saying "Hi...I'm..."

Being yourself always works in the end. Always.

It's not that hard...it really isn't....people tend to put too many rules around the subject of dating. It's timing, luck, a bit of confidence, sincerity, respect and not looking homely or being unemployed. That's pretty much all there is to it. There isn't a place any better or worse to meet people. I've been a club denizen for some time in various roles and they can be great places to meet decent people.

The ones that are not worth talking to are so obvious...for reasons you mentioned.
 
Old 08-31-2011, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Sunrise
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We ain't anti-intellectual here. Why don't ya take your fancy attitude back to Harvard. And paradigm? What's that? I got more than a pair-a-dimes -- takes more than that to pick up a girl 'round here.
 
Old 08-31-2011, 02:44 PM
 
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We ain't anti-intellectual here. Why don't ya take your fancy attitude back to Harvard. And paradigm? What's that? I got more than a pair-a-dimes -- takes more than that to pick up a girl 'round here.
I can't offer more than a smile but I would +1 if I could.

Dyn's got it right. People are dating paranoid. They jump through all kinds of hoops to impress people they don't even know or like...and you need to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff pretty quickly...and that seems like a fools errand in this town with the body of culture (yes, there is culture here!)
 
Old 08-31-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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I can't offer more than a smile but I would +1 if I could.

Dyn's got it right. People are dating paranoid. They jump through all kinds of hoops to impress people they don't even know or like...and you need to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff pretty quickly...and that seems like a fools errand in this town with the body of culture (yes, there is culture here!)
The last girl friend I had in Las Vegas....my friend is the aggressive type and was hitting on a lady in a downtown casino. I had just got out of the shower in my room, called him and he told me to come over to the California. I went over there and the ladies seemed kinda distant...they weren't much into conversation. I wasn't about to have a bad night on any account, so I simply said..."hey, I'm getting a beer...does anyone else want a drink?". Both ladies set out orders, I returned with three drinks, and conversation ensued. I got along well with the lady my friend wasn't interested in. She was my type physically, and 15 minutes later I had her phone number. Called her a few times, visited a month later and took her out on a date, and wound up in a relationship for several months. She was attractive, made more money than me, and in general was a really great person.

And thats it...no pretensions....a bit of a contrived "I could care less" with the drinks thing....but other than that no games at all. Just being myself really.
 
Old 08-31-2011, 02:54 PM
 
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Okay VegasMJ and CaltoVegas, I'm going to teach you both a lesson here:

You are both confusing "swagger" with overt (and obviously faked on your part) confidence which comes off as being a total jerk. (Ladies, back me up here). Having swagger means you are comfortable in your own skin and aren't fazed by anything or anyone negative around you. It's about doing your own thing, following your own passions, being bulletproof to life's inherent setbacks and even having a sense of humor about it. Whenever I see someone being an obvious jerk, I immediately recognize how insecure that person really is. You are NOT comfortable in your own skin because you resort to playing games and literally fake your sense of confidence in that you can have all the women you want. Don't you see how dumb that sounds? Do you actually think that's attractive to women?? Okay, maybe to the young/dumb ones in their 20's, which gets back to my original point: you are meeting the WRONG women! Think of all the GREAT women you could have had if they didn't immediately write you off because of your bad attitudes.

It's guys like you that keep the divorce rate at 50%. Even if you get what you wanted, your whole attitude makes you take it for granted in the long run. Think about it.

And to all the women reading this: STOP DATING JERKS! Don't even talk to them! Seriously, you are an idiot if you find this behavior attractive. You get what you deserve.
 
Old 08-31-2011, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Kingman AZ
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WELL said LOG.....too bad I repped ya earlier cause this ine is even MORE deserving
 
Old 08-31-2011, 03:33 PM
 
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There's an age old question that goes a little something like this. Who cares what you think? What works for us works for us. You do you. There's no competition here. Women want to feel a sense of security when with their men. Just because some men are comfortable being men doesn't mean we abuse them. In fact when I'm with a woman she can be a woman. She doesn't have to pretend that she can carry the world on her shoulders. When she's with me I got this...Yes even the dinner check..I have have few complaints and if there are any complaints no problem because she won't see me again..Problem solved..

At some point you will understand all women basically want is to feel secure and for the man to pay attention to them. As for me a cold drink and a sandwich will do it..Life is easy when you keep it simple..
 
Old 08-31-2011, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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VegasMJ is right, you can't be Mr. Nice Guy, and girls who say otherwise are clueless and probably ugly. Hot girls don't like that. I was Mr. Nice Guy for a long time and it got me absolutely nowhere. I was never a pushover, never a wuss, but I was definitely overly accommodating and nice and always thought of the girl first, treated her like a princess, and it was a fantastic way to make platonic girl friends who would eventually stop hanging out with me for their douchey boyfriends.

It's not a matter of being mean to girls, or being a jerk, but I think that girls in general create guys in the way they like them eventually anyway. I never stopped and said, "Oh hey, I'm being too nice, this isn't working." I just grew more and more bitter and had less and less respect for girls when I saw what kind of idiotic guys they liked, and then being a cocky-funny confident guy came naturally since I really don't care that much at this point. It's a lot easier to tease girls and put them in their place when you in fact don't care much.

It's amazing because the less I care and the less I try, the better luck I have. Girls want what they think they can't have, or what is a challenge, and the less you care to explain your actions or yourself, the more curious they are and want to know.

The thing I most learned, though, is that I can only guarantee and assure that I will always be content if I am always myself, and that means saying whatever I feel like, whatever I think, in any situation socially, without regard to what anyone else thinks about it because I simply don't care. I run my own businesses, I'm diplomatic when it comes to the business world, but on my free time I'll say and do whatever I feel like, and if she doesn't like it I don't care, because I like the freedom that I have and value that more highly than trying to cater to any girl. If she doesn't like it, good riddance, I won't like her either. If she likes it, great, I win twice. I only control my own actions, not what anyone else thinks about them, so I may as well be true to myself, because that I will never regret.

And, not to mention, it's a lot of fun teasing hot girls, it's enjoyable and entertaining in and of itself, because most hot girls deserve to be knocked down a peg. All they hear is how beautiful they are, how great they are, so it's much more fun to do something different. If she has a sense of humor, she'll laugh and play it off, maybe even tease you back, which is fun. If she gets angry and calls you a jerk, then she has no sense of humor and obviously isn't worth your time anyway. And if it goes nowhere, at least you had your fun, rather than acting like a pansy, which isn't fun.
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