[olecapt]

Originally Posted by Rachael84

That's not a fair judgement to make. Unless you've been around the entire NYC metro area for a decent amount of time, then you can fairly say that's what your view is. In fact, many people believe NYers are nice. Check out the thread on the New York board about attitudes. Everyone has basically summed up that we have a toughness that gets taken as rude sometimes, but it's only because it's a tough area to survive in, that we have to make sure no one steps on us.

Ask a NYer on the street directions or anything along those lines, and they'll stop and help you. Just last week I was in Brooklyn (in an area I didn't know so well), and I asked a man where a road was. He not only told me, but he walked me there and showed me.

Well, I can give you one vote. I was born in NY,NY,NY so I find it all normal. My wife however is a Canadian by birth and a western US resident for her adult life. On a recent trip to NY she ran into New Yorkers at their worst...a supermarket deli in the Hamptons. She came away convinced that it was the most unpleasant set of people she had dealt with in the US. She claims she just about had to go to fisticuffs with one lady to get served. Part of it was local custom...ie she thought the number machine was actually to be used while all the locals knew it was for show. But a monied long island woman in full hunt is a formidable creature.

[ejl127]

+ 1 to Rachel84.

Terrapin - you seem to have a real hard on for NY-ers based on multiple reponses in multiple threads. How exactly do you come to your judgements? Do you ask for all rude & arrogant peoples ID's to determine they're from NY? And does liberalism make someone bad or wrong and you good and right? Have you ever even been to the NY Metro area for any length of time to make a real assessment? You're observations are not entirely wrong but you're painting with way too broad a stroke.

Let's talk about immigration viewpoints: Especially when it comes to other nationalities. Why do you single out "mexicans" when speaking of illegal immigration? Are those the only one's that bother you or ruin your search for a perfect life? Are there not illegal asian immigrants who do NOT assimilate into an american cutlure as well? Have you seen NY's chinatown or Flushing Queens lately? Pretty ironic statements coming from a 1st generation american of another culture. You keep talking about how others will affect you. Ever think how well "you'd" be accepted in some towns/cities in the US? One main criteria you fail to mention is prejudice. It seems funny that the very people & cities you seem to have a problem with happen to be the one's that would be most accepting of you as an asian american.

No one likes rudeness or lack of morals. But not many people like ignorance and closemindedness that you seem to have either. Sounds like you need a different country. No state in the great big melting pot of the USA offers what you're looking for.

But hey what do I know. I'm an ex new yorker, child of european immigrant parents who married a 1st gen chinese american and now lives in vegas.

[Buzz123]

Well put ejl127. I guess most of us tend to think NYers are rude when they are only big city aggressive. Los Angelians are the same way in many respects. It's a big city thing. Ever see a Texan behind the wheel or on skis for that matter. They're nuts. But basically they are friendly people. Most of the kids I know who grew up in Las Vegas are somewhat aggressive and a little rude too, but they grew up learning how to maneuver around 40 million per year tourists who stand in the way gawking and pointing at all the pretty lights; and they grew up learning that in Las Vegas you can get your way if you are demanding. Most people are basically nice and that goes for the New Yorkers I've met, but people from different places have different ways of coping. Ever get caught in the middle of a group of Asian tourists? It's as if they are all blind. If you happen to be standing where they want to be they just shove you out of the way like they don't even see you. And truthfully, I think that after living in an anthill all their lives, they eventually don't see anyone else. That seems to be the way with anyone from a large city, but is really a bad habit of Asians who come from such crowded countries, particularly the Chinese.

Now for all the attacks on Mexicans. I get sick of all the Mexican hating emails, and hearing people who probably couldn't even find Mexico on a map, rag on "illegals". What they mean by illegals is Mexicans. They hate Mexicans even though they have probably never seen one. I will give my feelings about it in another post. But I consider all this illegal bashing to be racist and directed towards one group...Mexicans...instead of against the people who started all this hatred on 9/11 and want us all dead...Muslims.

[Buzz123]

I get Mexican bashing emails every single day and they mostly come from people who don’t even live where they have much of an immigration “problem” and haven’t really thought it through.

I suppose I have prejudices like everyone else, but I don’t go in for Mexican bashing, especially since my adopted granddaughter is of Mexican decent, and other of my relatives are of Latino origin. Plus, cliché or not, I have many, many Spanish speaking friends from all over the world, including Mexico. Some of these friends are not even Hispanic, but because their native language is Spanish they are sometimes discriminated against too. Americans tend to think that everyone from Central or South America, or Cuba is a Mexican; and Americans obviously hate Mexicans, I don’t care how much they protest the accusation. And in my opinion, the more they protest the more I don’t believe them, so I hope they can try not to scream when they reply to this.

A few Mexicans have lost some of my support with that Mexican flag waving thing but I do admire most of them for tenacity, courage, and hard work. And the myths that are being spread are so obviously nothing more than prejudice towards Mexicans by people who probably have never even met one that it’s getting embarrassing for me to talk to my housekeeper. She is like most Mexicans that I know that can outwork all of us Anglos; she does in 3 or 4 hours what it would take my wife and I doing together the whole weekend. And that’s why we hired her; to get back our weekends. She sometimes brings her beautiful little daughter who is just staring the first grade, and both of them are working like crazy to improve their English. She sometimes borrows my Spanish/English dictionary to help them find the right words, such as for her husband who is trying very hard to find a find a better job that doesn’t lay him off every other day as his present employer has been doing.

I think I probably do have more experience with Spanish speaking people than the average non-Hispanic person in this country. I lived in Laredo, TX where the population was 93% Hispanic. That includes both Mexican-Americans and Mexican Nationals. I lived in New Mexico where the population is about 40% Hispanic and 10% Native American. Here in Las Vegas the Hispanic population is 25%. I worked for several years with the State of Nevada Employment Security Division where a high percentage of our clients were Hispanic.

Not all Hispanics come from Mexico, but since they are the ones that these vicious emails and posts are targeting, I have to say that in my considerable experience with Mexicans, and other Spanish speaking people, most of them work their butts off to support the family, sometimes working two or three jobs. They pay taxes like everybody else because the employer deducts it from their wages unless they are self employed. They also pay into Social Security and if they aren’t legal they’ll never get it back. But the rest of us will be happy to spend it for them.

Most of the men work like dogs in construction, landscaping, etc. and make much more than $5.00 or $6.00 per hour. I don’t know where anybody got the idea they can’t be fired because they get fired all the time. Especially since employers are taking advantage of them and they can’t do anything about it. Usually everyone in the family works to help pay the bills. They of course spend money on goods and services just like everyone else so if all the illegal Mexicans were rounded up and sent away our economy would take such a hit it may never recover. Not to mention the companies that would go under just because they couldn’t find enough employees to keep going. Round them all up and send them back and we’ll have an economic disaster on our hands that will make 1929 look like a slight dip in the stock market.

Since we took the entire southwest from them illegally in the mid 1800s we have been not only reneging on our promises made in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hildago, we have been using and abusing them every chance we get. Several times in history we have needed their labor and opened the border to them. Then when times got tough we either made them leave or tricked them into leaving.

In an ideal world, Mexicans would turn their own country into one of the most powerful in the world, as they have the resources, if not the will, to do it. But what they have is the richest nation on earth just across their border, and greedy American businesses who in all practicality incourage Mexicans to break our law in order to find enough workers to stay in business. Tell me someone who wouldn't committ a small crime in order to feed their children when necessary. And, really, how big a crime is it to cross a border that was once yours to begin with, just to find a job? Along the border thousands of Mexicans come across legally every day, but work illegally for the day, then return home. The Border Patrol has known about it for years and doesn't waste their time monitoring it.

I hear "they" are costing us so much money in social services. Socialists and lazy Americans are costing us more. Lets get rid of them too. But get rid of 12million needed workers and be prepared for the economic consequences.

If you want to get rid of the ones who are really costing us, get rid of the ones who only want to destroy America, not the ones who are building it.

[lvkewlkid]

Get rid of those who fake disability or food stamps because they can exempt a car from their assets...(People from Anthem do it all the time)...my brother works at the VONS in Anthem and says its hard to find somebody without a Food Stamp card, he says more ppl there use food stamps than the Maryland and Twain location...that's because Welfare lets you exempt a car, so they buy a 100,000 dollar Mercedes and a 200 dollar junker and exempt the Mercedes...

[lvkewlkid]

my father has lived in NJ for 46 years, he says the New Yorkers don't even compare to how rude the Californians are...He can't stand the Californians and neither can I, they are so rude. We went on vacation to Philly and NJ for a month, and the ppl there were so much nicer, but maybe that's because we fit in with our accent...

[olecapt]

What say we move on folks. I have lived 20 years in NY and 20 years in CA and over 10 in Vegas. They don't differ enough to worry about.

So let us drop it and go on to important things...

Like is Hooterville better than NLV?

[crystalblue]

now THAT is a good question!

[Buzz123]

Originally Posted by olecapt

What say we move on folks. I have lived 20 years in NY and 20 years in CA and over 10 in Vegas. They don't differ enough to worry about.

So let us drop it and go on to important things...

Like is Hooterville better than NLV?

No, I think the bigger question is: is the linguine and clams better at Grape Street or Montesano's? And, should I order red or white sauce?

[PinkString]

Originally Posted by lvkewlkid

my father has lived in NJ for 46 years, he says the New Yorkers don't even compare to how rude the Californians are...He can't stand the Californians and neither can I, they are so rude. We went on vacation to Philly and NJ for a month, and the ppl there were so much nicer, but maybe that's because we fit in with our accent...

You can't label all californians as rude. I lived in Calif a good long time and most of the people i dealt with were friendly. As I am. I just think there are rude people the world over, but not as many as the nice ones.