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The problem is, Americans are reproducing at replacement level, we tend to have only the number of children we can afford and want. We're not doing the third world population explosion thing, breeding like rabbits and bringing children into the world we cannot support. But - now we've become the solution for all those nations whose people have no sense of responsibility. They've destroyed their own environments, turned their own cities into endless slums but and want to dump their excess populations into the USA.
Welfare rates of immigrants are ridiculous. If they were responsible in the first place, stayed in school, delayed the start of their families, they wouldn't need here to get the food stamps and free health care.
Good immigrants are fine, but they should be responsible types who will support themselves and the children they produce here.
There are two problems:
1. The immigrants are not eligible to welfare.
2. A country that exists because of immigrants should not restrict immigration. US is not your country!!! It's everybody's country!
There are two problems:
1. The immigrants are not eligible to welfare.
2. A country that exists because of immigrants should not restrict immigration. US is not your country!!! It's everybody's country!
Sure they are. All they have to do is have a child they cannot afford or claim some sort of disability. Immigrants are a very large chunk of the welfare population, a great number of them live in government housing and get food stamps, WIC, Medicaid.
And no, this country belongs to "we the people" of the USA. Just like others have their own countries, the citizens of the USA have our own country.
There are different kinds of immigrants. Work sponsored immigrants tend to be the best kind, self reliant, educated, willing to work. Family sponsored immigrants, not generally so much, in fact many elderly and infirm are brought in by family sponsors who do not end up supporting them. And of course there are those who break the laws and come here illegally, many have extremely high birth rates and live off many welfare handouts.
My wife is from Thailand and is currently in the process of receiving permanent resident status in the US.
Sadly, our economy is stagnant... and with our degrees and experience; we could honestly find better work in Thailand. Unless, of course, we were involved in the health care industry. We were joking about it the other day; she never would have thought she would be better off career wise in Thailand than the US when she first came here... but alas, the world is changing. That being said... I love the US and the freedoms we have here, and so does my wife; we just wish it was heading in the right direction.
The US is no longer interested in attracting highly educated, hard working professionals and entrepreneurs from around the world. We are interested in allowing the least common denominator the ability the proliferate at an ever increasing rate and encourage dependency on our wasteful, corrupt government.
We are not at capacity. We as a nation have just handicapped the ability to create more economic capacity. I have talked to many legal immigrants that have a better sense of true American values than many natives do. If highly educated people want to immigrate here legally and start companies and businesses; why wouldn't you let them!? Yet, the US government won't even let my wife's parents come here to visit on vacation and spend their money here... while other people ignore our borders and get free health care and don't pay taxes, and then turn around and burn US flags and pop out children that leech off our government. We should discriminate in the immigration process... if legal immigrants are not desirable candidates (criminal history, etc.)... reject their applications. We are so obsessed with being politically correct that it makes everything more difficult and costly for everyone else.
The American dream is dead.
I agree with much of what you have said,however I do feel one clarification is justified ... "The US is no longer interested in attracting highly educated, hard-working professionals..."' what??? The visa program has always been based upon protecting the US business and employment markets, thus, for legal immigrants, it was required that it be proven that an applicants skills are in demand and fill a proven need. For example, in many areas (if not all) of the country there is currently a large number of IPT professionals unemployed ... should Immigration & Naturalization allow in another 5 million such "highly educated & hard-working" individuals?
Is the OP's one million legal immigrants per year stat correct? Seems a low number to me. I wouldn't mind seeing increased production by the INS in processing work and citizenship visas. Seems preferable to preview visa applicants and issue visas accordingly rather than being forced to accept and deal with whoever happens to walk across our borders. The US issues many more visas for higher skilled applicants than it does for low skilled applicants. Immediate family member applications aside, for now. Wouldn't it prove beneficial to fill lower skilled jobs (those jobs that many claim Americans do not want) with screened visa holders? Many illegals are attracted across our borders in pursuit of such jobs. As well, this should aid in the huge draw on our economy of monies earned here that rather than being reinvested in our economy are instead sent out of country.
Legal visa holders have a more vested interest in the growth and well being of our country, this I see as directly related to your comments about US economic capacity.
To those who may have concern that I missed a number of relevant posts in this thread, I do apologize as I am working from a handheld device and could not efficiently read all postings.
Legal or Illegal, what's the difference, for native wage slaves it means the same thing - more competition, lesser piece of a pie. Need I remind you that American expansion from East to West was completed 150 years ago?
Different income brackets have their immigration preferences. Educated types (with appropriate high paying jobs) are not ecstatic about H1Bs & Students on work permits (unless they are direct beneficiaries of relatively cheap R&D labor) but they like their lawns cut & homes built/cleaned for cheap by illegals. Folks on the lover social perches would rather have H1Bs delivering all those innovations (they've been told would lead to prosperity & jobs, still waiting) but they dislike illegals competing for their jobs & homes.
Sure they are. All they have to do is have a child they cannot afford or claim some sort of disability. Immigrants are a very large chunk of the welfare population, a great number of them live in government housing and get food stamps, WIC, Medicaid.
No, they don't. You have to prove citizenship status to apply for those things. Children of undocumented immigrants born here can get aid since they're US citizens but there's already enough restrictions on how that money's spent (and it's not that much money when factoring in the costs of child care).
If the jobs most undocumented immigrants had here paid enough that they didn't need WIC, etc it wouldn't be an issue. Same as with manual labor and unskilled service sector work i.e. the remaining blue collar jobs. But people get on their high horses screaming about their taxes and whatnot and we find ourselves in the same rut year after year.
The share of wealth of the top 1% has exploded in the past 30 years while the average wage has decreased. And the share of corporate tax income has decreased to almost nothing as well, with the majority of C corps finagled their way into shirking their tax responsibilities entirely. Likewise capital gains and investment income are taxed at laughably low rates compared to the rest of the civilized world. Your anger should be directed at the people in charge and the rich for being the real leeches on society.
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No, they don't. You have to prove citizenship status to apply for those things. Children of undocumented immigrants born here can get aid since they're US citizens but there's already enough restrictions on how that money's spent (and it's not that much money when factoring in the costs of child care).
If the jobs most undocumented immigrants had here paid enough that they didn't need WIC, etc it wouldn't be an issue. Same as with manual labor and unskilled service sector work i.e. the remaining blue collar jobs. But people get on their high horses screaming about their taxes and whatnot and we find ourselves in the same rut year after year.
The share of wealth of the top 1% has exploded in the past 30 years while the average wage has decreased. And the share of corporate tax income has decreased to almost nothing as well, with the majority of C corps finagled their way into shirking their tax responsibilities entirely. Likewise capital gains and investment income are taxed at laughably low rates compared to the rest of the civilized world. Your anger should be directed at the people in charge and the rich for being the real leeches on society.
Do you have any idea on what this issue is about?.
So my question is for the people who say "I don't mind if they come here but legally" would you be okay with letting in 15 million a year legally?
I can't help but question the entire premise of this thread. If we 13 million illegal immigrants in the US since amnesty was granted around 25 years ago, that means we're adding around 500K illegal immigrants per year. Add the current legal immigrants, round up a little, and we're talking about 2 million immigrants per year. While it's not an insignificant figure, it's nowhere near the 15 million immigrant "scare figure" that was tossed in by the OP. 2 Million is about half of what our birth rate is in the US. If old people would die sooner, our population would barely increase at all.
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I can't help but question the entire premise of this thread.
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If we 13 million illegal immigrants in the US since amnesty was granted
around 25 years ago, that means we're adding around 500K illegal immigrants per year. Add the current legal immigrants, round up a little, and we're talking about 2 million immigrants per year. While it's not an insignificant figure, it's nowhere near the 15 million immigrant "scare figure" that was tossed in by the OP. 2 Million is about half of what our birth rate is in the US. If old people would die sooner, our population would barely increase at all.
So you monitor the border and count every illegal that crosses without authority, along with the ones who are smuggled in?
Illegals aliens are GRANTED nothing. They only think they are.
Do you have any idea on what this issue is about?.
Could you rephrase that in a way that parses as a real sentence?
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