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Old 11-12-2008, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Houston
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^No, employers need to submit among other things the agreed salary and the job description of the prospective H1B worker to the Department of Labor before been granted an H1B temporary working visa, and the DOL will make sure the salary is competitive with the salary paid to US workers locally. This procedure is highly regulated, we are not talking about paying a few bucks under the table.

Read here (20CFR655 Subpart H - Labor Condition Applications and Requirements for Employers Using Nonimmigrants on H-1B Visas In Specialty Occupations and as Fashion Models (http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/title_20/Part_655/Subpart_H.htm - broken link))
(a) Establishing the wage requirement. The first LCA requirement shall be satisfied when the employer signs Form ETA 9035 or 9035E attesting that, for the entire period of authorized employment, the required wage rate will be paid to the H-1B nonimmigrant(s); that is, that the wage shall be the greater of the actual wage rate (as specified in paragraph (a)(1) of this section) or the prevailing wage (as specified in paragraph (a)(2) of this section). The wage requirement includes the employer's obligation to offer benefits and eligibility for benefits provided as compensation for services to H-1B non immigrants on the same basis, and in accordance with the same criteria, as the employer offers to U.S. workers.

And you can read in that link their definition of actual and prevailing wages. IMHO this strict regulation was put in place to protect American workers from what you are asserting. As someone pointed out before, there's a lot of red tape involved in the hiring of a foreigner and the employer cannot offer them a lower salary to try to recoup the legal costs associated with the hiring, hence making the hiring of a US citizen/resident with the same skills much more convenient.

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Old 11-13-2008, 04:08 AM
 
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Out of one side of his mouth it is claimed by Bill Gates himself, that H1B's are the best and the brightest despite their being educated in America with our tax dollars. Yet out of the other side of his mouth he proclaims that Americans are not the best and brightest because of the lack of advanced math and science being taught in our universities.

At the end of the day there is no shortage of Americans willing or able to fill these these so-called "top paying" positions. Like every other group of foreign workers in this country, the H1B's, are more willing to accept a lower wage, have no benefits and will do whatever it takes to remain in the US. Additionally, they are not under the jurisdiction of US labor laws. Gates and other greedy corporate execs simply wish to have it both ways by supressing wages, in order to continue to enjoy their windfall profits.

This is nothing more than simply demanding that the tech industry be considered above all labor laws at the expense of America, its workers and our tax dollars.
Correct!

BTW, I recently received a job offer from a tech firm, who wants to hire Americans to do their programming because they're tired of incompetent Indians who screw up every other line of code.

Technology work has been done by Americans, and can still be done by Americans. Our gene pool has not simply been removed from the labor equation. All the greatest achievements in technology have been made by Westerners, and we are still here, alive and well. Do not listen to anybody who says otherwise.
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Old 11-13-2008, 04:12 AM
 
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I totally disagree with you on this. There really is a shortage of Americans with the necessary skills to fill those positions. This is due primarily to the fact that the number of American students enrolled in advanced mathematics and computer science classes at universities have plummeted in recent years. You go to any university and you'll notice that an overwhelming majority of students in the Ph. D. computer sciences programs are indeed students from China and India who are here on student visas.

The wages (salary ranges) and benefits (offered post employment) for these positions are already in place, so companies cannot and do not offer lower pay and no benefits to these specific employees as they will be in direct violation U.S. labor laws subject themselves to heavy fines and penalties by the OFCCP and EEOC.

Believe me, companies would rather hire US citizens for these positions but unfortunately, American just arent going to school and obtaining the necessary specific technical education required to be hired into these roles.
Congratulations -- you've hit on every contorted talking point from the cheap labor lobby. And, thanks for the pure comedy in the last paragraph. Yeah...corporations are not firing all their American employees and replacing them with cheap foreigners -- Lou Dobbs and the rest are just making it all up.
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Old 11-13-2008, 04:13 AM
 
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^No, employers need to submit among other things the agreed salary and the job description of the prospective H1B worker to the Department of Labor before been granted an H1B temporary working visa, and the DOL will make sure the salary is competitive with the salary paid to US workers locally. This procedure is highly regulated, we are not talking about paying a few bucks under the table.
LOL -- yeah, and you're not supposed to speed on the freeway either...
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Old 11-30-2008, 09:01 PM
 
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Walk in to any graduate Engineering or Computer Science class and see how many Americans there are. Natives of third world countries understand the "survival of the fittest theory" quite well. We were often told that having a bachelor's degree is like having a high school diploma. You are taught that education is the only way out, so everybody goes the extra mile while in school. Coming to the US/UK/Canada/Australia is often the only way out of poverty and your brain power serves as the golden key !
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Old 11-30-2008, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Walk in to any graduate Engineering or Computer Science class and see how many Americans there are. Natives of third world countries understand the "survival of the fittest theory" quite well. We were often told that having a bachelor's degree is like having a high school diploma. You are taught that education is the only way out, so everybody goes the extra mile while in school. Coming to the US/UK/Canada/Australia is often the only way out of poverty and your brain power serves as the golden key !
And oftentimes said foreign students remain in all of the above English speaking First World countries legally because it is simply less hassle to 'jump through the hoops' vs. putting up with the Third World nonsense back home.
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Old 12-01-2008, 02:30 AM
 
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Walk in to any graduate Engineering or Computer Science class and see how many Americans there are. Natives of third world countries understand the "survival of the fittest theory" quite well. We were often told that having a bachelor's degree is like having a high school diploma. You are taught that education is the only way out, so everybody goes the extra mile while in school. Coming to the US/UK/Canada/Australia is often the only way out of poverty and your brain power serves as the golden key !
Why do people keep cutting and pasting this same paragraph?

The U.S. is a sovereign nation, full of its own constituents. Why should we Americans tolerate displacement from our own nation by greedy employers who only want to hire low cost foreigners?
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Old 03-08-2009, 04:55 AM
 
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Obama should cancel these guest worker visas. With millions of unemployed highly skilled Americans we don't need these Guest Worker Visas. These visas are used to replace Americans with cheap labor. They are not the smartest and brightest. At best they are just average. There are lots of Americans that will take these jobs. America wake up. Help your own citizens.
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Old 06-12-2019, 08:44 PM
 
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Marriott in Gaithersburg Md , big building , 150 - 200 people . All Indian .Anyone who says Indians are not displacing American talent are dolts . NIH in Bethesda , Tech in McLean VA, looks like Bombay . Arrogant dudes driving their Tesla's , BMW SUV's . A guy pulled into the gym the other day in a 2019 Z06 , $85,000 car . Indian dude . He works at NASDAQ. I interviewed there. Went through 3 rounds of snotty Indian punk IT dudes . They see a white guy and dismiss them on sight . They hire their own. DOL IT project , 20 people , all Indian . Talking with them, all of there spouses are IT. It's a joke man . The gym is now all Indian. You better believe H1b's are taking American jobs . Va, Md, little Bombay
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Old 06-28-2019, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
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Here is a random post I found while getting some guidance in a engineering forum;

"Leading companies such as Intel or Nvidia are getting tens or even hundreds of resumes for each job opening. I used to work for a well-known IC design company, and there were 152 resumes for my position (I know it for a fact).

Needless to say that the candidate has to pass all the interviews with flying colors."
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