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Old 07-29-2010, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Kennett Square, PA
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Tell that to the guy who had a chunk of his leg taken out by a Rottweiler. Now, would a cocker spaniel be able to do that kind of damage ?

Look, I know fatal dog bites are very rare. But the vast majority of such bites are made by a handfull of breeds. If apartment managers and cities want to ban such breeds, who are you to tell them they can't, just because your Dobermans haven't ever given you any problems? Actually, in terms of dangerous dogs, Dobermans are quite a bit down on the list behind Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Malamutes, Huskies, Chows and a couple of others. Dobermans just look scarier than a couple of those breeds.
I am an advocate, that's who. Apartment banning is ONE thing, an individual thing. A CITY banning is insane. Believe me, I KNOW the problems that people are having with Pit Bulls, a very nice terrier breed which has been ruined by the likes of people such as Michael Vick - or whatever his name is. I get that. I don't have all the answers, but it starts with the owners. It's a damned shame that wonderful "guard" dogs, which are only MEANT to be more alert than the average pooch, are subject to bad breeding and unscreened owners. Just curious: where did you get your "list?"
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Old 07-29-2010, 10:57 PM
 
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I am an advocate, that's who. Apartment banning is ONE thing, an individual thing. A CITY banning is insane. Believe me, I KNOW the problems that people are having with Pit Bulls, a very nice terrier breed which has been ruined by the likes of people such as Michael Vick - or whatever his name is. I get that. I don't have all the answers, but it starts with the owners. It's a damned shame that wonderful "guard" dogs, which are only MEANT to be more alert than the average pooch, are subject to bad breeding and unscreened owners. Just curious: where did you get your "list?"
Okay. Then you can respect an apartment banning breeds. I can respect that you disagree with cities banning breeds. I however support the rights of cities to ban certain breeds, but I understand your point of view as well. It is sad to see good dogs suffer because of the actions of a minority of irresponsible dog owners. But I can respect the actions of cities who want to protect both their citizens and their citizens' innocent pets. For every dog attack on humans, there are plenty of dog attacks against peoples pets. My own dog was almost killed once by an Akita who attacked him in my back yard because she was in heat and running loose. My neighbors were able to rescue him, for which I am very glad the attacker was a giant and powerful Akita rather than a Pit Bull which there's no way the neighbors could have convinced it to let go. As far as attacks on pets, there is no question that many Pit Bulls are vicious killers.

So because of this, I do have to disagree that the Pit Bull is "a very nice terrier breed," but believe it to be a dog that has been selectively bred to have dangerous and aggressive traits. Same with the Rottweiler, which are two breeds that I always fear, regardless of what the owner claims about the individual dog they have. I hope you can respect that.

My list is of course subjective, but is based on this study by the CDC,
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf (http://http//www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf - broken link)
which reports that 32% of recent deaths due to dog bites (to which a breed could be attributed) were caused by Pit Bulls, 50% were caused by Pit Bulls and/or Rottweilers, and 83% were caused by a group of only 6 breeds --- Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Huskies, Malamutes, and Wolf Hybrids. This means the remaining dozens and dozens of dog breeds caused only 17% of deaths.

On that list, the Doberman has caused one less death than the Chow, and only half as many deaths as the Malamute, and only 10% as many deaths as the Pit Bull. So no, I don't think the Doberman is near the top of the list of dangerous breeds.
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:23 PM
 
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This means the remaining dozens and dozens of dog breeds caused only 17% of deaths.
And the vast majority of those remaining 17% were by about one dozen of the dozens and dozens of remaining breeds.

So no, I never buy the argument that "snappers" and "nippers" such as cocker spaniels and jack russell terriers are just as hazardous as the most dangerous breeds.
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Old 07-30-2010, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Kennett Square, PA
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My list is of course subjective, but is based on this study by the CDC,
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf (http://http//www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf - broken link)
which reports that 32% of recent deaths due to dog bites (to which a breed could be attributed) were caused by Pit Bulls, 50% were caused by Pit Bulls and/or Rottweilers, and 83% were caused by a group of only 6 breeds --- Pit Bulls, Rottweilers, German Shepherds, Huskies, Malamutes, and Wolf Hybrids. This means the remaining dozens and dozens of dog breeds caused only 17% of deaths.

On that list, the Doberman has caused one less death than the Chow, and only half as many deaths as the Malamute, and only 10% as many deaths as the Pit Bull. So no, I don't think the Doberman is near the top of the list of dangerous breeds.
I'm REALLY surprised about the Huskies and Malamutes - just don't get that at all I will tell you that I am a bit frightened by the Aisan breeds of Akitas and Chows, and I am very sorry regarding your poor pooch - on YOUR property. I'm surprised the Mastiff didn't make the list because of their size (plus they took down a young woman in an apartment complex and basically drained her of her blook).

I don't pretend to be the expert on Pitts. But somewhere along the line, they went from being a "family" dog of high intelligence and and loyalty to a "fighting" breed. I would like to see breed monitoring across the board, and back-yard breeding outlawed in all states. I would bet the farm that close to 100% of attacks can be traced to this type of bad breeding.

As for my own breed, between the expert breeders (who don't make a dime, except for showing) and the Dobie rescue people across the country, they have really dug in their heels for quality temperament. They have become as careful as the most precise engineers to establish the current Doberman: a mid-sized (60-80 lbs) companion and competitor with high intelligence, affection and surprising hi-jinx and humor. Very fews things in life have made me laugh harder than their antics! Thanks for listening!
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Old 07-31-2010, 01:41 PM
 
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I am looking for an apartment in bethlehem but I have a rottie (who is very well behaved and very friendly), are there any apartments in the area that allow them? Typically I know that these are on the breed restrictions list but I need a place. I also have a lab but during the day while I'm at work they would be at a doggie day camp so they would only be there when I'm home.
Interesting conversation guys, but here's the OP.
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