10-09-2012, 07:09 AM
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Hi all,
10-09-2012, 08:36 AM
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Oil heat is very expensive. I would use an electric heater in the room you will be in during this season. When it gets too cold out maybe put the oil heat on 55 or 60 and use the electric heater in the room you are in. I believe you will save money this way. I know I did.
10-09-2012, 10:35 AM
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Electric rates at Kutztown (controlled by the borough) is quite expensive(coming from NC), at $0.1848 (first 200kWh) and $0.15030 (after that).
I hate to say that you are pretty screwed no matter what you do.
(1) The first thing to do is to check the brand and model number of your oil boiler. You can go online and check the efficiency of the boiler. If you have trouble post on this forum and we'll help you look. All boilers waste a certain amount of energy, and if you unit is old enough it might be very inefficient.
WTGO-05 oil boiler as an example is 85% efficient. If you get a lower number than you want to be more careful with the oil.
(2) Your electricity is way too expensive. In Bethlehem I am currently paying $8.75 + $0.10277 / kWh from the first kWh. That rate will probably rise in January.
(3) At the price for electricity you are paying, oil is still cheaper than electricity per unit of energy. Unless oil goes to $5 / gallon that will remain true. However, even though electric is more expensive it can be used more efficiently. The oil heats the entire house, while the space heater heats the air around you.
In my case, with the much lower rates, electricity and oil are about equal per unit of energy.
My suggestion is similar to the previous one. Set the house temperature on uncomfortably cold to protect the pipes when you are not there. Try 50 degrees, but if that is too miserable move it up to 55 degrees. A low temperature helps because the furnace does not go off and on as often. Use the electric space heater near you, but try not to run it at full power.
For a bathroom you can indulge in a space heater that heats up quickly when you are using the room. But for a room, purchase a slowly heating oil filled electric space heater. It won't heat up quickly but it is much safer and won't burn you. Don't be suckered into paying more than about $50-$80 for your space heater. Manufacturers charge an arm and a leg for cabinets. At night use an electric blanket.
If the efficiency of your boiler is too low, you may want to move now. Old boilers that were converted from coal still exist, and they are awful. Even the lease break will probably be cheaper than the heating bills.
10-09-2012, 10:54 AM
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Just checked the efficiency of my oil boiler. There were service records and the last check-up in April rated it as 77.75%. I do have one of those oil-filled radiator heater. I only set it on the min setting and quite low, using it in my bedroom at night. I set the house at 60F and may have to go lower! Breaking my lease is not an option because I'm literally 5-7min walk to university campus. Rental is tough to come by in Kutztown, especially in areas not populated by students. I guess I'll just have to conserve even more carefully.
10-09-2012, 11:18 AM
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Just checked the efficiency of my oil boiler. There were service records and the last check-up in April rated it as 77.75%. I do have one of those oil-filled radiator heater. I only set it on the min setting and quite low, using it in my bedroom at night. I set the house at 60F and may have to go lower! Breaking my lease is not an option because I'm literally 5-7min walk to university campus.
That is probably a very old boiler. My guess is over 20 years.
If the landlord won't tell you or doesn't know how many times the tank was filled last year, then ask him what fuel company they used. They should have records. A typical 125 gallon tank will be $500 to fill if heating fuel jumps to $4 a gallon.
With electricity that high, I would suggest a
Window unit wood pellet stove . Wood pellets are not that expensive although they can be a slight nuisance. I think even if the unit loses 33% of it's resell value every year, you will still come out ahead.
Although a wood burning stove is cheaper, I doubt the landlord will let you install one. An internal coal space heater is the cheapest to operate, but once again I sincerely doubt the landlord will let you put one in.
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10-09-2012, 01:09 PM
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Check your refrigerator. If it is old, it can also be an electricity pig. There is an average of 730.5 hours in a month, so if your refrigerator is a 400 Watts that is 292 kWh in the month (which is already well over the 200 kW high priced minimum).
10-09-2012, 03:40 PM
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My tank according to the service record is a 275gal tank. I can call the heating company to find out the fill last year. You are right, I also suspect my fridge is using a lot of power although it doesn't look that old. I've raised the temp as high as I could (I'm using a fridge thermometer to monitor to keep around 41F).
10-09-2012, 04:49 PM
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My tank according to the service record is a 275gal tank. I can call the heating company to find out the fill last year. You are right, I also suspect my fridge is using a lot of power although it doesn't look that old. I've raised the temp as high as I could (I'm using a fridge thermometer to monitor to keep around 41F).
Since your boiler is relatively inefficient you will see a lot of waste there. If you fill with 200 gallons, and it is only 77.5% efficiency you are wasting 45 gallons right there just to run the boiler. If you need to fill it twice that is 90 gallons. At $4 a gallon that is $360 just in efficiency. You can compare that number with the loss in resell value of your pellet stove unit in one year. If you are in luck, then your landlord may see the unit as an improvement in the value of his property, and agree to reduce your rent by $50 a month in exchange for you leaving it in place when you move.
Without any records it is difficult to know how poorly insulated your house is, but it is difficult to believe you can get by on one tank of heating oil without supplemental heat. In January you tend to burn heating oil like the apocalypse is coming. This house that I am in burns a gallon in two hours.
I don't think that there are cheaper window units. The whole idea of window unit pellet stove is relatively new. Usually you have to poke a hole in the wall to get at a chimney.
The pellet bags are relatively heavy at 40 lbs. You must think about the logistics of filling the unit. You need something to climb up on to pour the bag. If you get last years records then calculate how many gallons of heating oil were being burned per day at the height of winter.
A 40 lb bag of wood pellets equals 2.4 gallons of heating oil. If the house was burning 5 gallons a day, that is twice a day you must refill. You have a small house, so hopefully it doesn't burn at that rate.
If it all gets too complicated, then invest an electronic thermostat that you can access remotely and turn up your house before you get home, or at least warm it up at a certain time. Then you simply have to use battery powered socks or electric snuggies.
10-09-2012, 05:07 PM
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I will investigate more on last year's oil usage some time this week. Got lots of things coming up. I did email the landlord to seek permission to install a timer on the water heater. It does not need to run during a big chunk of time when I don't need hot water. 40lbs bag is not a problem for me. Heck the salt for the water softener is a 50lb bag (from Costco)! I'm keeping the house at around 60F right now and will probably have to go lower overnight. Thanks for all your comments and suggestions!
10-10-2012, 05:06 AM
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I will investigate more on last year's oil usage some time this week. Got lots of things coming up. I did email the landlord to seek permission to install a timer on the water heater. It does not need to run during a big chunk of time when I don't need hot water. 40lbs bag is not a problem for me. Heck the salt for the water softener is a 50lb bag (from Costco)! I'm keeping the house at around 60F right now and will probably have to go lower overnight. Thanks for all your comments and suggestions!
If your water heater is made after 1998 you can look forward to your timer saving you about $4 a month. That's because a typical electric water heater runs only about 3 hours a day anyway, and modern energy-efficient water heaters run only 1.3 hours or so. In fact, if your heater was made after 1998, it's possibly not worth using a timer at all.
Generally, don't drop the house below forty five even if you are not at home as you risk some damage to the pipes if heat is not being distributed evenly.
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People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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