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Old 12-06-2010, 09:13 PM
 
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No one is gouging anyone.

1. Most oil in the USA does NOT come from OPEC nations. We produce 40% of our own oil. Most of the remaining 60% comes from Canada and Mexico

Mid East oil fuels Europe, not America.

2. Oil is a FINITE resource. Every gallon of oil burned takes millions of years to replace.

3. When you consider how many trillions of dollars our government spends to install puppet governments in oil rich countries the cost is way more than $2.99 per gallon.
Sort of but it's less when you factor out the refined petrol we send back to Mexico and Canada. In other words, the vol may count as an import but it's not necessarily used if we refine it and send it back.

We consume Mideast OPEC oil but you are correct, most of the imported oil consumed comes from Canada. Mexico will continue to drop due to their oil depletion rates. Canada will continue to be a vital supplier in the future for 3 reasons - 1) they can still grow production 2) proximity 3) ally to the US
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Old 12-07-2010, 06:19 AM
 
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Well Canada charges more for crude than does OPEC. Bottom line, most people making the median salary in this country cannot afford 4.00 per gallon gas again, let alone 3.00. So what can we do?

Nothing is not an acceptable answer. Either is wait on the government.
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Old 12-07-2010, 07:21 AM
 
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Well Canada charges more for crude than does OPEC. Bottom line, most people making the median salary in this country cannot afford 4.00 per gallon gas again, let alone 3.00. So what can we do?

Nothing is not an acceptable answer. Either is wait on the government.
Where is your proof of all these assertions?

And people did afford $4 gas by driving less and by choosing to cut back in other areas.

I already told ya what to do

MINIMIZE YOUR OWN CONSUMPTION AND FUEL EXPENSES

and if you still have this UFO theory that retailers are gouging

CALL THE STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL
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Old 12-07-2010, 08:06 AM
 
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Well Canada charges more for crude than does OPEC. Bottom line, most people making the median salary in this country cannot afford 4.00 per gallon gas again, let alone 3.00. So what can we do?

Nothing is not an acceptable answer. Either is wait on the government.
1. About 1/2 of every dollar you spend on gas winds up in the governments pocket via gas taxes, important fees, mineral rights charges, payroll taxes, income taxes etc etc etc.

2. Crude oil does not immediately turn into gas at the pump. Generally, there is a many month lag in price correlation from oil to gas.

3. Ever heard of supply and demand? Supply is fairly limited due to US refinery capacity. So what happens when it gets cold and we hit holiday travel seasons where fuel oil for heating and gasoline usage BOTH spike?

P.S. How far is your commute and what is your gas mileage? You sound like a girl I dated bitching about the oil companies while she drove 40miles each way to work in a vehicle getting 17mpg.
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Old 12-07-2010, 05:10 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Another point... why should countries not be allowed to charge a fair price for oil extracted from their land?

America's top OPEC importing nation, Nigeria, has lost over 2,500 people due to pipeline explosions since 1998, including hundreds of children. If Western oil companies extracted oil in Nigeria with the same care that do in the US, Canada, and Europe prices would be much higher.

Before you complain about how much your gas cost try visualizing 2,500 coffins.

List of pipeline accidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12-08-2010, 10:00 AM
 
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Another point... why should countries not be allowed to charge a fair price for oil extracted from their land?

America's top OPEC importing nation, Nigeria, has lost over 2,500 people due to pipeline explosions since 1998, including hundreds of children. If Western oil companies extracted oil in Nigeria with the same care that do in the US, Canada, and Europe prices would be much higher.

Before you complain about how much your gas cost try visualizing 2,500 coffins.

List of pipeline accidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Photo in the News: Nigeria Pipeline Explosion Incinerates Hundreds

They broke into the pipe and then hundreds gathered standing ankle deep in oil to scoop it up etc. and some idiot had a lit cigarette or hot scooter muffler etc.

But hey, let's blame the oil companies because it fits your imagination instead of the facts.

I think you should retract.
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Old 12-09-2010, 07:48 PM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Photo in the News: Nigeria Pipeline Explosion Incinerates Hundreds

They broke into the pipe and then hundreds gathered standing ankle deep in oil to scoop it up etc. and some idiot had a lit cigarette or hot scooter muffler etc.

But hey, let's blame the oil companies because it fits your imagination instead of the facts.

I think you should retract.
So if you were living in dire poverty (mud floor hut, cooking your food over burning dung) and there was a pipeline in your neighborhood so that rich people on another continent could drive SUVs that get 15 mpg you wouldn't try to hack into it?

If you think that the American Empire has a right to conquer other countries and take their resources for our own use that's your opinion and you have a right to hold it. Just don't compromise yourself by acting like people in those countries are getting a fair deal.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:34 PM
 
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So if you were living in dire poverty (mud floor hut, cooking your food over burning dung) and there was a pipeline in your neighborhood so that rich people on another continent could drive SUVs that get 15 mpg you wouldn't try to hack into it?

If you think that the American Empire has a right to conquer other countries and take their resources for our own use that's your opinion and you have a right to hold it. Just don't compromise yourself by acting like people in those countries are getting a fair deal.
Wow, your story sure changed really quick.
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Old 12-09-2010, 09:45 PM
 
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The problem is we're set up to be gas-whores by design. The road & highway system, the suburbs & sprawl, the less walkability & deteriorated urban cores, the dismantling of our passenger railroad system back in the day, etc is all done to KEEP YOU USING GAS, and lots of it.

Don't think for a minute the Government, Tea Party, or anyone else gives 2 craps about you & getting you off of gas. It starts with changing your lifestyle for one.

-Quit giving your money to auto manufacturers who aren't pushing the "green" envelope.
-Choose to live in more walking & biking friendly parts of town & support those businesses in those areas instead of going to Wal-Mart for everything.
-Everyone in your family doesn't need their own car. Find a way to share & make it work.
-Choose to live & work in areas with decent public transportation.
-Consider an efficient motorcycle or scooter to pick up the slack.
-And if your town isn't conscious of any of these things or doesn't care about them & lives & breathes everything automobile, then leave & find a town that does.

If more people just made more of an effort & were more conscious of this stuff instead of just bitching every time gas goes up, it would really make a difference. And a lot of the private industry is really pushing out greener, cheaper & more sustainable technologies. Yeah, we really haven't been done any favors with this stuff seeing that big oil & the auto industry has pretty much killed any other means of decent transportation & has a stranglehold on us all, but its not completely hopeless.

Speak with your dollars & lead by example. And certainly don't bet your livelihood on some god damn greedy oil company to not try to gouge you every chance they get, cause they will. Best thing to do is to cut them out of the equation as much as you possibly can.
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Old 03-07-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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Anyone enjoying these $3.50 gallon gasoline? I hear a lot of stories about prices going up and the excuses for it, but nothing about fixing the problem.
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