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Sheena wrote....It is true that Italian Americans tend to have what is called "strong family systems" - they stay close to their families of origin after they leave home and in general, are less likely to go away to college than say, their Jewish counterparts are. Studies show this.
What studies are you referring to? Perhaps Italian-Americans didn't have the money to go away to school like Jews did. You know, Jews are suppose to have a lot of money. Well, until Bernie Madoff got caught at least.
Careful about the stereotypes about the jewish community. Maybe the Italians are in such great numbers in long island based on the 10 million pizza places.
So selecting Micky Dee's as a food choice means that you have come up in the world?
Actually most Italian americans eat fairly well by today's standards.
no study to site here just personal observation.
Where did anyone mention Mickey D's? I am lost ...
Protestants are Christians. Roman Catholics are Christians. Greek Orthodox Catholics are Christians. Anyone who believes in the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth is a Christian (that includes LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.)
That doesn't mean anybody had a "leg up". People who were different were reviled.
Protestants are Christians. Roman Catholics are Christians. Greek Orthodox Catholics are Christians. Anyone who believes in the divinity of Jesus of Nazareth is a Christian (that includes LDS, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.)
Baptists and other Bible thumpers do not consider anyone other than themselves to be Christians. It's easy to say 'they're all Christians' but there are fundamental differences between each group you've listed. I don't mean to split hairs.
Going back OT, the Italian Catholic immigrants made ideal laborers, seamstresses, barbers, shoemakers and such for the wealthy WASPs. Their shared acceptance of Christ did not give them any advantage over the Jewish population at that time.
Adding to the why there are so many IAs in NY/LI region -- how many of them came to the USA and entered at Castle Garden or Ellis Island with little money and settled close by in an urban area in order to make a living?
Immigration: The Italians "As in many other places in the world, Italians in America clustered into groups related to their place of origin. For example, the Neapolitans and Sicilians settled in different parts of New York, and even people from different parts of Sicily settled on different streets. However, what seldom occurred in U.S. were Italians enclaves, or all-Italians neighborhoods. The Italians would disperse themselves in other immigrant groups, such as, the Irish, the Jews, the Germans, and the Poles, while remaining in their clusters. Also, immigrants usually settled in different regions of U.S. based in where they came from in Italy. The Sicilians resided in New Orleans, the Neapolitans and Calabrians in Minnesota, and mostly northern Italians in California. However most of the Italians were concentrated in the mid Atlantic states in 1910 with 472,000 in New York and nearly 200,000 in Pennsylvania at the time."
On that same site, click on the Jewish under immigration. There is states: "Anti-Jewish sentiment never was strong in the United States, especially compared to that of Europe. In the US, they were merely another group of people trying to make a better life, while in Europe they were always seen as the single minority. In the US, Jews were accepted members of society, sometimes even leaders of public and private groups or organizations."
In the US, Jews were accepted members of society, sometimes even leaders of public and private groups or organizations."
Yes and no.
German Jews, who arrived in the mid-19th Century, were less religious and had a western orientation that enabled them to be "accepted".
Polish and Russian Jews, who arrived in the latter part of the 19th Century, were more religious and were not familiar with western practices. These Jews, a much larger group than the German Jews that preceded them and coming from more backward areas, were viewed as "idiots". However, within a generation, these "idiots" had become familiar with American custom and practices, and moved into the general population, although because they mostly, but not completely, remained fairly religious, this led to some separation from the general population.
Long Island does have a fairly large German population, though it is less than some other parts of the country as well as less than the Italian population.
Could you please name a few towns on Long Island with high German population? I can only think of one. Lindenhurst.
Baptists and other Bible thumpers do not consider anyone other than themselves to be Christians. It's easy to say 'they're all Christians' but there are fundamental differences between each group you've listed. I don't mean to split hairs.
Going back OT, the Italian Catholic immigrants made ideal laborers, seamstresses, barbers, shoemakers and such for the wealthy WASPs. Their shared acceptance of Christ did not give them any advantage over the Jewish population at that time.
Adding to the why there are so many IAs in NY/LI region -- how many of them came to the USA and entered at Castle Garden or Ellis Island with little money and settled close by in an urban area in order to make a living?
Immigration: The Italians "As in many other places in the world, Italians in America clustered into groups related to their place of origin. For example, the Neapolitans and Sicilians settled in different parts of New York, and even people from different parts of Sicily settled on different streets. However, what seldom occurred in U.S. were Italians enclaves, or all-Italians neighborhoods. The Italians would disperse themselves in other immigrant groups, such as, the Irish, the Jews, the Germans, and the Poles, while remaining in their clusters. Also, immigrants usually settled in different regions of U.S. based in where they came from in Italy. The Sicilians resided in New Orleans, the Neapolitans and Calabrians in Minnesota, and mostly northern Italians in California. However most of the Italians were concentrated in the mid Atlantic states in 1910 with 472,000 in New York and nearly 200,000 in Pennsylvania at the time."
On that same site, click on the Jewish under immigration. There is states: "Anti-Jewish sentiment never was strong in the United States, especially compared to that of Europe. In the US, they were merely another group of people trying to make a better life, while in Europe they were always seen as the single minority. In the US, Jews were accepted members of society, sometimes even leaders of public and private groups or organizations."
Learned something! Thanks for looking that all up! Did it say anything more about anti-Jewish sentiment in Europe these days and whether that is continuing to drive Jewish people to move out of Europe to Israel and/or the US? I heard somewhere that the reason so many European countries accepted and continue to accept so many fundamentalist Muslim immigrants is because of the tradition of European anti-semitism in general ... they figured the fundamentalist Muslims would harass their Jewish citizens ... too bad that one backfired and the fundamentalist Muslims are harassing them all!
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