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However, the U.S.A. has been a Christian country since its inception and things like this (i.e., "Saturday is a good day for extracurricular activities and sports because Sunday is the traditional 'day of rest' for Christians") are ingrained in the larger culture, which makes it that much harder to separate out from public schools even with the separation of church and state policy in effect.
I do not agree with the "Christian country" stuff either -- school is M-F, provides normal food, normal education, etc. If you brainwash your children to require them to follow your rules, that is your problem.
I do not agree with the "Christian country" stuff either -- school is M-F, provides normal food, normal education, etc. If you brainwash your children to require them to follow your rules, that is your problem.
I am not saying I agree or disagree with it. I am just saying that's how it is. Although now the USA is much more diverse, it still has traditions and ways that started out as Christian and which we haven't given up on. Sure there's a separation of church and state, but take a look at your money (open your wallet right now and look) or take a look at the words over a judge in a courtroom: "In God We Trust." And that was created by Christians.
However, the U.S.A. has been a Christian country since its inception and things like this (i.e., "Saturday is a good day for extracurricular activities and sports because Sunday is the traditional 'day of rest' for Christians") are ingrained in the larger culture, which makes it that much harder to take out of public schools even with the separation of church and state policy in effect.
What American did then is not always what Americans do now.
Please see page 2 -- search for religious. My PDF editor will not let me copy + paste :\
I believe you may be reading to much into it. If the orginization that held the service collected money only to cover the cost of the building rental than they would not be in violation because there would be no "proceeds to benefit" the religous orginization.
Where I am many churchs rent the school buildings on sundays, provided the school system does not discriminate and try to pick & choose who they rent to then whats wrong with it.
Actually aren't these concerts considered Winter Concerts or Holiday Concerts?
Where the students are taught to and do perform Christian religious songs.
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And there is not only "Gentile" food in the cafeteria, there is regular friggen food .. "
In most districts, there is only regular Gentile food in the cafeteria.
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Same thing about sports teams -- can't make it, don't join.
The sports teams can play during the day on Friday, after sundown on Saturday and during the day on Sunday (playing on Sunday would not be a violation of the Christian Sabbath, which is a day of prayer, not a day of rest).
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Besides, this is a blatant violation of STATE POLICIES, plain and simple.
Yes, having students taught to sing Christian religious songs, only serving Gentile food in the cafeteria and playing team sports at a time that automatically excludes certain students from participating violates NYS policies, let alone the NYS Constitution.
If you really want to stir the pot and make a point, suggest using the school for a Muslim service. I'm sure that will get their attention.
(Said the atheist who thinks religious anything should be kept away from public school property at all times, whether school is in session or not, just on general principle.)
I was thinking that very same thing! Send an email with all the info to Westbury mosque...or better still the mosque in the town of Oyster Bay which was displaced due to violations during Ramadan! The congregation probably could have used the space the public school would have provided.
Where the students are taught to and do perform Christian religious songs.
In most districts, there is only regular Gentile food in the cafeteria.
The sports teams can play during the day on Friday, after sundown on Saturday and during the day on Sunday (playing on Sunday would not be a violation of the Christian Sabbath, which is a day of prayer, not a day of rest).
Yes, having students taught to sing Christian religious songs, only serving Gentile food in the cafeteria and playing team sports at a time that automatically excludes certain students from participating violates NYS policies, let alone the NYS Constitution.
You know, I started to take you seriously until you said there is only "Gentile" food in school cafeterias. Are you so blinded by your Pro-Jewish mentality that you can't realize that you guys are the ones requesting special food. You basically are saying that schools are not in the wrong for not being yeshivas. There are other people in the world other than Jews, Walter. Like I said before, the world doesn't stop at Friday sundown.
Do you have proof of such "Christian" songs being taught to public school students? I do not remember any such thing. Closest thing was a Halloween recital, which if you are going to claim is religious then that is ridiculous.
You know, I started to take you seriously until you said there is only "Gentile" food in school cafeterias. Are you so blinded by your Pro-Jewish mentality that you can't realize that you guys are the ones requesting special food.
It would seem that you are blinded by your anti-Jewish bigotry.
No one is requesting special food: just like serving regular Gentile food, school districts, where requested, should serve regular Kosher or regular Halal food.
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Do you have proof of such "Christian" songs being taught to public school students?
Silent Night, for one.
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Closest thing was a Halloween recital, which if you are going to claim is religious then that is ridiculous.
Halloween is indeed a Christian holiday: Halloween is the contraction of All Hallows Eve, the evening of All Hallows Day, which is now known as All Saints Day. (St. Valentines Day and St. Patrick's Day are also Christian holidays).
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On the above. Schools should simply serve food, not kosher, not hallal, not whatever. The additional cost associated trying to maintain special dietary standards would be too high. If a person wants certain foods due to faith, allergies, etc then pack a lunch.
For the songs I guess the Hanukah songs would have t be eliminated also. Let me tell you to a third grader growing up in the 60's no one cared the reason for the season all we knew was time to party. Cake, cookies, soda etc. kids don't care what the purpose is.
As for Halloween it may have started as all hallows eve in the christian faith but in this country it is just a kids holliday. Kids dress up, go door to door for candy and have fun, at least till the adults try to make it politcally correct. Even most adults enjoy the "party" atmosphere of the day....
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