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Old 11-09-2010, 01:21 PM
 
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You're absolutely right. The problem here is that there are some people who just can't accept the fact that the democrats in Nassau County were sent packing last year. Just as in this year's election, there's a reason for it.
I don't think partisanship has anything to do with it.

People throughout the entire country seem to think it's possible to fix 8 years' worth of damage in 2. Long Island just reflects the larger trend of short-sighted impatience and unrealistic expectations.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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And Mangano inherited a $230 million budget deficit from Suozzi. Point is that while Gulotta had his share of problems other than the economy, Suozzi doesn't get a pass on financial mismanagement. After all, any idiot can balance a budget with a 20% tax hike and $100 million from NIFA. But only Suozzi could blow through a surplus, too.
The budget deficit Suozzi actually inherited wound up being closer to $400 million. When it comes down to it, the latest budget deficit has been caused primarily by the downturn in the sales tax revenue as a result of one of the worst recession's in our nation's history.

Does that mean that Suozzi did everything else right? And that he didn't make mistakes? Of course not, however that doesn't change the fact the primary catalyst of the deficit problems now is due to the downturn in sales tax revenue as a result of the recession. The deficit problems we had during the last few years Gullotta was in office had nothing to do with any economic problems, in fact if it wasn't for the booming economy during that time, it could have been even worse. Those problems were simply mismanagement.

Quite simply if we are going to fix the county's fiscal problems, doing the exact same things we did that led to junk bond status sure as hell isn't the way to go there.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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No question its a problem, it needs a major overhaul, I agree with you on that. However, we can't get confused of who is in charge of what.

As far as shifting the costs around, all that it really accomplished is taken it off the county's books and putting it on the towns's and schools. All that is going to happen with that instead of the taxpayers paying the county for it, they will pay someone else for it. It was dressed up as hey look taxpayers, you don't have to pay for this anymore, meanwhile of course the taxpayers will still be footing the bill for it, the only difference is the section of the tax bill it is on.
I disagree, shifting the costs exposes what has been blatant abuse of taxpayers. Wait til this really sinks in and people find out we have the highest taxes in the country even with the county guarantee that has been in effect for 80 yrs. Blatant abuse. You're going to see a lot of budgets fail when they try to pass the costs along, that's what it does.
Nassau has been the MTA's whipping boy for long enough. We are not the MTA's slaves and they will be held accountable. They are a major drain on residents and businesses. We would have more disposable income, be spending more and have more jobs here thus increasing tax base to the county if the corruption/abuse was put in check under the failed Suozzi admin. Ask any county business what the new job killing MTA tax has done to their business.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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Long Island just reflects the larger trend of short-sighted impatience and unrealistic expectations.
Unrealistic expectations...sorta like the people coming to NY to pillage taxpayers with their multi-million dollar pensions and then leaving when their 20 yrs is up. Being a civil servant does not guarantee you winning mega millions. Sorry to burst your bubble.

It's obviously unsustainable. People like the ones mentioned above don't know what's in store for them.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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Unrealistic expectations...sorta like the people coming to NY to pillage taxpayers with their multi-million dollar pensions and then leaving when their 20 yrs is up. Being a civil servant does not guarantee you winning mega millions. Sorry to burst your bubble.

It's obviously unsustainable. People like the ones mentioned above don't know what's in store for them.
Beats me. I don't know anyone who came here from somewhere else to pillage anyone. Maybe you're confusing homegrown civil servants with Vikings.

Oh, and quite a few pensions require 25 years of service to attain the full benefit, not 20. Regardless of where someone comes from, anyone who puts up with 25 years of Long Island's criminals and helicopter parents deserves a Nobel peace prize, if not canonization, never mind a pension.
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Old 11-09-2010, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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I disagree, shifting the costs exposes what has been blatant abuse of taxpayers. Wait til this really sinks in and people find out we have the highest taxes in the country even with the county guarantee that has been in effect for 80 yrs. Blatant abuse. You're going to see a lot of budgets fail when they try to pass the costs along, that's what it does.
Nassau has been the MTA's whipping boy for long enough. We are not the MTA's slaves and they will be held accountable. They are a major drain on residents and businesses. We would have more disposable income, be spending more and have more jobs here thus increasing tax base to the county if the corruption/abuse was put in check under the failed Suozzi admin. Ask any county business what the new job killing MTA tax has done to their business.

The County Executive whether it be Suozzi, Mangano or anyone else has nothing to do with the mismanagement of the MTA. Outside of the funding for the LI Bus, which makes up a tiny portion of the budget, they have no control over it whatsoever. Its a serious problem that needs to be addressed, no question about it, however it simply doesn't fall under the jurisdiction of county government.

I somehow doubt we will start seeing these budgets fail by passing the costs along. What will simply happen is they will be on another portion of the tax bill.
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Old 11-09-2010, 04:47 PM
 
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I don't think partisanship has anything to do with it.

People throughout the entire country seem to think it's possible to fix 8 years' worth of damage in 2. Long Island just reflects the larger trend of short-sighted impatience and unrealistic expectations.
That comment was directed at the die-hard democrats on this forum who believe that Suozzi walked on water.
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Old 11-09-2010, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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That comment was directed at the die-hard democrats on this forum who believe that Suozzi walked on water.
Blecch! Who would that be? How clueless do you think people are around here?

Unfortunately, the very bottom line is when we have CRAP CANDIDATE (R) vs. CRAP CANDIDATE (D) it means everyone loses no matter who wins the election!

That's what we had in Nassau and what we have had for decades in Nassau.

A magical "R" or "D" behind a person's name isn't going to fix anything if that person isn't worth electing.
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Old 11-09-2010, 04:55 PM
 
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The budget deficit Suozzi actually inherited wound up being closer to $400 million. When it comes down to it, the latest budget deficit has been caused primarily by the downturn in the sales tax revenue as a result of one of the worst recession's in our nation's history.

Does that mean that Suozzi did everything else right? And that he didn't make mistakes? Of course not, however that doesn't change the fact the primary catalyst of the deficit problems now is due to the downturn in sales tax revenue as a result of the recession. The deficit problems we had during the last few years Gullotta was in office had nothing to do with any economic problems, in fact if it wasn't for the booming economy during that time, it could have been even worse. Those problems were simply mismanagement.

Quite simply if we are going to fix the county's fiscal problems, doing the exact same things we did that led to junk bond status sure as hell isn't the way to go there.
So let me get this straight: Suozzi inherited a budget deficit, raised taxes astronomically, got lots of financial assistance from NIFA -- and after 8 years still left a multi-hundred million deficit. And you want to jump all over Mangano, in office for all of 10 months, as he presents his first budget with an honest attempt not to raise taxes during the worst recession in 80 years. You've been pounding on Mangano since the first week he was sworn in. I guess it was real tough for you to watch both Suozzi and Mejias bite the dust at the same time. Most of the rest of us understand the message that the voters sent.
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Old 11-09-2010, 04:59 PM
 
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Blecch! Who would that be? How clueless do you think people are around here?

Unfortunately, the very bottom line is when we have CRAP CANDIDATE (R) vs. CRAP CANDIDATE (D) it means everyone loses no matter who wins the election!

That's what we had in Nassau and what we have had for decades in Nassau.

A magical "R" or "D" behind a person's name isn't going to fix anything if that person isn't worth electing.

Apparently there are lots of people who believe Suozzi walked on water, including Suozzi himself. The stunned looks on his followers faces when he was defeated told the whole story. The message of the 2010 election was the same message of the 2009 election. Some people just don't get it.
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