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Old 11-14-2010, 01:20 PM
 
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Oh I see so the unions who had to fight for raises below inflation while private sector employees were receiving 6 figures salaries and bonuses should now save the county's budget when the greedy ws criminals got caught with pants down.
Dang, you're good.

Don't worry. Should the masses find themselves making money hand over fist again, the lowly civil servants, who will be stuck with their COLAs as they deal with the products of lousy parenting both young and old, will fall out of favor as whipping boys (and girls).

 
Old 11-14-2010, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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The police tax is 7% of your tax bill. The pd has 1300 less cops then it did 15 yrs ago.

Again the county's problems we're caused by private sector wall street greed.
That is why I said "the limited in number police force." I also think the NCPD's new hires are getting less in their contracts, so there has been some sacrifice on the part of their union.

Actually, what I was trying to express in my post is that I am not jazzed at the prospect of NIFA taking over and making cuts to unionized civil servants like clerk-typists and all the other "little people" who are not making well above private sector pay or above the payscale of those in the same positions in NYC. They are not the problem and it is not right that they have to bear the burden alone while others are not touched because they are employees of school districts and not Nassau County itself.

As for Wall Street investment banker criminals, I don't disagree with you on that. In the past I have been very close to them and know how they operate. Their money has put a stranglehold on government from the Federal level on down. If you make a thread about it on the P&OC board, I will be the first to join you in condemning them over there, but we are discussing Long Island here, not national politics.
 
Old 11-14-2010, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Tell me genius what would be a reasonable salary for a LI police officer?
Perhaps $75,000 after 6 years instead of $90,000. Or $95,000 after 8 years instead of $108,000. Perhaps something less than 18-26 sick days a year. Perhaps cutting some of the compensation packages.

I have no problems with paying cops well, they should be paid well. However, when it comes down to it, we have issues in the Nassau County budget and the finances of the county. About 65% of the property taxes paid to Nassau County go to the police, so if we are going to make cuts and reign in the county budget, where do you think its going to come from? The parts of the budget that have a small impact on the county finances? Are the parts of the budget that makes up the bulk of the county budget?
 
Old 11-14-2010, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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As for needing to "protect myself" from employers, the vast majority of people on the professional level do not unionize as they are competent enough to negotiate their terms of employment for themselves and do not need a "big brother" type of organization to oversee their careers. It is harder, yes, to work in this environment, and I have myself had a career path fall victim to offshore outsourcing, but I am now thriving in a different industry.

However, to look at it on the level of the typical union employee, if I were to become a simple worker bee, I would welcome unionization and the added power of having a union behind me instead of it just being me, as having a union behind you negates "employment-at-will" and makes it harder for employers to get rid of anyone they want to.
This is why "socialist" type schemes don't work (proof=Soviet Union). Gov't does not create prosperity, nor does it create any real value (except in a few rare instances). It simply takes from one person and gives to the other. That's a major reason we have become so uncompetitive in the world. We're becoming almost exclusively a 'service economy'.

A private business on LI trying to service not only the US but operate globally, has to pay for abuse such as 9 grown men filling a pot hole (2 filling the pot hole, 2 holding a flag and 5 watching them work). Or the MTA conductor that abuses OT rules and makes an unjustified "small fortune" 3x base salary stealing from taxpayers... And the Super in Commack that pulled in 650k last year and retired with a multi-million$$ pension,etc etc..

The private sector professional has to make him or herself valuable to their company. Where the public sector worker mostly has to just show up and have a pulse. Oh and most of the time, they just need to "know someone" to get into their lucrative position.
 
Old 11-14-2010, 03:20 PM
 
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Perhaps $75,000 after 6 years instead of $90,000. Or $95,000 after 8 years instead of $108,000. Perhaps something less than 18-26 sick days a year. Perhaps cutting some of the compensation packages.

I have no problems with paying cops well, they should be paid well. However, when it comes down to it, we have issues in the Nassau County budget and the finances of the county. About 65% of the property taxes paid to Nassau County go to the police, so if we are going to make cuts and reign in the county budget, where do you think its going to come from? The parts of the budget that have a small impact on the county finances? Are the parts of the budget that makes up the bulk of the county budget?
$108,000? Didn't someone say only wall st criminals make 6 figures?
 
Old 11-14-2010, 04:17 PM
 
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The private sector professional has to make him or herself valuable to their company. Where the public sector worker mostly has to just show up and have a pulse. Oh and most of the time, they just need to "know someone" to get into their lucrative position.
You've got it absolutely backwards.

If you bomb a civil service test, you're not going to get a job with the civil service. Others who have actually worked in the civil service have explained that over and over and over again on here. If you get less than a 90 (and more like a 95) on the police test, you're going to have a long wait, and they may not get to you at all.

However, nepotism is alive and well in the private sector, to the point where it's cliche. How anyone could miss that in this day and age is beyond me.
 
Old 11-14-2010, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Wellsville, Glurt County
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You opened the door, skippy. Until you felt compelled to throw some mud this was simply a discussion about NIFA. And you're apparently having some difficulty with reading interpretation since this has never been about "NCPD procedural minutiae." It's about insight into how government works. Two very different things.
I don't know if it's really about how government works, but I'm glad you now seem to realize why no one buys your ridiculous claim that being a former police officer somehow innately gives one a greater understanding of the county's administrative functions - on a level that the rest of plebian Long Island could never possibly hope to attain. I still don't think you have grasped that no one really cares (nor should have to care) about what happens behind closed doors, or if the motive behind certain decisions is politically motivated, as long as the outcome is satisfactory....but this is a big step for you! I could give you more examples.....for instance, someone's level of satisfaction with a car they bought not requiring the prerequisite of understanding how it's electronic control module calculates spark advance tables and injector pulse width against data from the various feedback systems....but it hasn't really gotten the point across so far, so I don't know what else I can tell you.
 
Old 11-14-2010, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Wallens Ridge
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$108,000? Didn't someone say only wall st criminals make 6 figures?
Maybe in FL. that's a lot of money but not on L.I. Try and keeping a family of 5 or 6 afloat on that salary on the Island. You would be lucky to just get by
 
Old 11-15-2010, 04:50 AM
 
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I don't know if it's really about how government works, but I'm glad you now seem to realize why no one buys your ridiculous claim that being a former police officer somehow innately gives one a greater understanding of the county's administrative functions - on a level that the rest of plebian Long Island could never possibly hope to attain. I still don't think you have grasped that no one really cares (nor should have to care) about what happens behind closed doors, or if the motive behind certain decisions is politically motivated, as long as the outcome is satisfactory....but this is a big step for you! I could give you more examples.....for instance, someone's level of satisfaction with a car they bought not requiring the prerequisite of understanding how it's electronic control module calculates spark advance tables and injector pulse width against data from the various feedback systems....but it hasn't really gotten the point across so far, so I don't know what else I can tell you.
Actually, skippy, there's nothing else you can tell me. Your arrogance says it all.

But there's still lots I can tell you since you continue to show us your ignorance of things government. Perhaps the point that you don't "grasp" is that politics is behind all policy decisions in government. And those who make those decisions don't really care about the outcome as long as they and their loyal minions are successful in the next election. What you apparently don't get is that your "we don't care what goes on behind closed doors" approach is what brought NYS to its knees. Or maybe you prefer that the government government decision-making process never see the light of day.

If you worked for government -- and actually had that insight -- you'd know how the political decisions that are made adversely impact the daily operation of government. That's an understanding that "plebian Long Island" -- and you in particular -- can't grasp. Now stick your head back in the sand (or wherever it is that you keep it) and let the rest of us try and monitor what our government is doing to us.

By the way, this is no longer tedious. It's outright boring. Like arguing with kids. Good-bye.
 
Old 11-15-2010, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Maybe in FL. that's a lot of money but not on L.I. Try and keeping a family of 5 or 6 afloat on that salary on the Island. You would be lucky to just get by
So why does the high cost of living on LI become the taxpayers issue. The salaries of some of these civil service jobs have far exceeded what the average resident makes adding to the expense of living on LI. I do not understand why we need to pay these salaries; do we have a shortage of teachers or police? It’s just the opposite with waiting lists at least in the case of police that are several years. How many jobs do you know that go from $40,000 to $108,000 in 6 years with no performance requirement and a 2 year college degree?

It doesn’t take a deep analysis to understand that we are overpaying for these positions.
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