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We are agreed LI lacks industry, that has been the case for sometime but yet we are asking middle class families that make no where near $100K to support a system that regularly grants increase in spite of the economy. The system keeps granting salary increases as if the middle class is wealthy, they are not.LI is never going to match Silicon Valley, too much of a head start and the low cost of living when the CA economy took off just does not exist here.
Yes COL is high on LI but it is also high for residents employed in private industry that pay for their own health care and retirement and they do not get automatic salary increases of 3-4% each year, where is the concern for the middle class taxpayer. Pensions may be off topic but most certainly part of the problem, those high salaries eventually turn into large pensions that are underfunded, that is what is driving the current increases.
Yes adiminstrators salaries should be capped, in some cases they have voluntarily taken freezes but they are still excessive, some of them make more than CEO's of businesses. They are treated like they are running their own company, personal cars, taxpayer funded retirement, cell phone,you would think they could pay for their own car on those salaries. I think Brooklyn has 6 districts and 400 schools, we have 160 districts, the system is still being run like it's 1950 and that's what the voters want, any consolidation is thwarted by drama queens in the districts.
Well teachers and administrators do pay property taxes, so they are paying for their healthcare and pension in an indirect manner. Most public education workers in other states get the same type of healthcare and pension so I don't understand why it would drive the cost up only on Long Island. Maybe having the state revenue fund pensions and healthcare would be more cost efficient.
I always wondered why Long Island never combined districts. There is no reason to have that many districts given its size.
Problem is Long Island grew rapidly since the 1950s but never dealt with the proper infrastructure to support that growth. One being to take means to attract its own industry.
The finer industry these days tends to have a lot of money because of the nature of its work and the fact that a lot of other money is poured into it from other business, academia, and sometimes federal government. Usually these finer industries pay workers very well depending on their level of education and skills. That is why I think it would be good for Long Island to have this type of industry, to combat the high COL and help the local private sector economy.
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I always wondered why Long Island never combined districts. There is no reason to have that many districts given its size..
If you care, this is an interesting paper on the obvious racial segregation of LI schools. http://www.eraseracismny.org/storage...rict-facts.pdf It also shows that the "bad" school districts on LI are only going to get worse (and so will "good" ones, but not as quickly.
The big problem with consolidation is racism and fear of loss of community identify. So, I think the "bad" school district's should consolidate (bad SD's=less community identity). Since these bad SD's are only going to see Limited English Proficiency continue to go up, their resources will be put more towards that and they will have financial difficulty. There's no reason for Freeport Residents to not want to consolidate with Roosevelt, both are "bad" and very non-white school districts. Same with Uniondale and Hempstead. But, unfortunately, everybody seems to pressure very small, mostly white school districts to consolidate-these places have the most racism and community identity of all!
Well teachers and administrators do pay property taxes, so they are paying for their healthcare and pension in an indirect manner. Most public education workers in other states get the same type of healthcare and pension so I don't understand why it would drive the cost up only on Long Island. Maybe having the state revenue fund pensions and healthcare would be more cost efficient.
I always wondered why Long Island never combined districts. There is no reason to have that many districts given its size.
Problem is Long Island grew rapidly since the 1950s but never dealt with the proper infrastructure to support that growth. One being to take means to attract its own industry.
The finer industry these days tends to have a lot of money because of the nature of its work and the fact that a lot of other money is poured into it from other business, academia, and sometimes federal government. Usually these finer industries pay workers very well depending on their level of education and skills. That is why I think it would be good for Long Island to have this type of industry, to combat the high COL and help the local private sector economy.
Excellent and well-reasoned points. It may be easier for some to rail about their perception of high (100K gross for a 15-year teacher with a masters degree) teacher pay rather than actually examining the reasons for our high COL and low commercial base. I think your various and salient points presented have no impact on those who have made up their minds. The pretenses that Long Island is unique in high property taxes among states that finance the public schools thru property taxes and that Long Island teachers are unique in pay in benefits (and due process protections) among civil service workers in high COL areas are ones that are particularly amusing and artfully skewered in your comments.
On an aside I think that a 100K teacher pays about 38K+ in federal and state taxes, then about 11K in property taxes and then pays our high COL for items such as housing, insurance, car, gasoline, utilities, food, etc. Is 100K gross for a 15-year teacher really a salary that is 'too high'? That is a running source of disagreement among a few posters on this forum. A few who have done the math have revisited their preconceptions about a 100K gross (or 120K gross) Long Island government employee salary.
Excellent and well-reasoned points. It may be easier for some to rail about their perception of high (100K gross for a 15-year teacher with a masters degree) teacher pay rather than actually examining the reasons for our high COL and low commercial base. I think your various and salient points presented have no impact on those who have made up their minds. The pretenses that Long Island is unique in high property taxes among states that finance the public schools thru property taxes and that Long Island teachers are unique in pay in benefits (and due process protections) among civil service workers in high COL areas are ones that are particularly amusing and artfully skewered in your comments.
On an aside I think that a 100K teacher pays about 38K+ in federal and state taxes, then about 11K in property taxes and then pays our high COL for items such as housing, insurance, car, gasoline, utilities, food, etc. Is 100K gross for a 15-year teacher really a salary that is 'too high'? That is a running source of disagreement among a few posters on this forum. A few who have done the math have revisited their preconceptions about a 100K gross (or 120K gross) Long Island government employee salary.
1. Re bolded above: Some of us do both consistently.
2. A 15 yr teacher makes closer to $130+k for 180 months per year PLUS a pension based on $130k/yr. Spin it how you like. It's a helluva lot.
Add that there are 300+ plus teachers at that level in a decent sized district (like mine) and it's a big chunk of change. If we are so desperate for their inflated salaries to support the status quo, the ponzi scheme is in full effect. I watched the Giants game yesterday with a guy who was a doctor and his wife a lawyer both with PHd's. They both became teachers 19 years ago for the salary, pension and short commutes. They didn't do it for the love of teaching. Plenty of professionals sitting for civil service exams these days. They see the light and want in.
Excellent and well-reasoned points. It may be easier for some to rail about their perception of high (100K gross for a 15-year teacher with a masters degree) teacher pay rather than actually examining the reasons for our high COL and low commercial base. I think your various and salient points presented have no impact on those who have made up their minds. The pretenses that Long Island is unique in high property taxes among states that finance the public schools thru property taxes and that Long Island teachers are unique in pay in benefits (and due process protections) among civil service workers in high COL areas are ones that are particularly amusing and artfully skewered in your comments.
On an aside I think that a 100K teacher pays about 38K+ in federal and state taxes, then about 11K in property taxes and then pays our high COL for items such as housing, insurance, car, gasoline, utilities, food, etc. Is 100K gross for a 15-year teacher really a salary that is 'too high'? That is a running source of disagreement among a few posters on this forum. A few who have done the math have revisited their preconceptions about a 100K gross (or 120K gross) Long Island government employee salary.
Do you not see the irony in defending teachers salaries because they pay taxes, I heard a similar defense for high pensions based on the fact that they generated tremendous income for NYS.
NY & NJ are fairly unique as far as high property taxes, addtionally part of state income tax also funds the school districts, the cost per student is one of the highest in the nation. Salaries could be lowered and we would still have a waiting list of qualified teachers and admnistrators.
Once again, yes the COL is high but where does consideration of the taxpayer fit into the equation. Take a close look at the Bureau of Labor demographics for Nassau and Suffolk and you will see that the system is turned upside down.
Once again, yes the COL is high but where does consideration of the taxpayer fit into the equation. Take a close look at the Bureau of Labor demographics for Nassau and Suffolk and you will see that the system is turned upside down.
That is the exact problem I was trying to say. The root problem is that many private sector salaries don't pay in appropriate relation to the COL on Long Island. If you take away taxes, the COL is still high and private sector salaries are still not in appropriate relation to the COL. Other suburban regions like Orange County, CA, NoVA, and Greater Boston area have just as high COL, if not higher, than Long Island. The difference is there is a lot more higher paying private sector jobs because there is more fine, high tech industry. This is one of the reasons why I think we need more of this industry on Long Island, in addition to having a stronger, stable, and more modern private sector economy.
Do you not see the irony in defending teachers salaries because they pay taxes, I heard a similar defense for high pensions based on the fact that they generated tremendous income for NYS.
I didn't see anyone do that, instead it was pointed out that long Island teachers pay the same high property taxes we all do to show they have a high COL themselves on their gross salaries. I haven't heard that high pension justification but it sounds nutso. I did hear that teachers don't pay property taxes but that is equally crazy.
Here (IMHO) is the relentless math contributing to our high personal property taxes : Locally funded school districts + high cost of living + little or no local commercial base = high homeowner property taxes.
I didn't see anyone do that, instead it was pointed out that long Island teachers pay the same high property taxes we all do to show they have a high COL themselves on their gross salaries. I haven't heard that high pension justification but it sounds nutso. I did hear that teachers don't pay property taxes but that is equally crazy.
Here (IMHO) is the relentless math contributing to our high personal property taxes : Locally funded school districts + high cost of living + little or no local commercial base = high homeowner property taxes.
I misread your post, I took teachers paytng taxes as justification for their salaries, my mistake. Actually the administrators of the NYS pension fund made the statement that high pensions are valuable to NYS because they increase our tax base.
Yes the tax base is just not there, that should enter into the equation of what we pay our government employees.
That is the exact problem I was trying to say. The root problem is that many private sector salaries don't pay in appropriate relation to the COL on Long Island. If you take away taxes, the COL is still high and private sector salaries are still not in appropriate relation to the COL. Other suburban regions like Orange County, CA, NoVA, and Greater Boston area have just as high COL, if not higher, than Long Island. The difference is there is a lot more higher paying private sector jobs because there is more fine, high tech industry. This is one of the reasons why I think we need more of this industry on Long Island, in addition to having a stronger, stable, and more modern private sector economy.
Boston is a city, quite different than LI and Northern Va receives a tremendous amount of money from residents employed as either federal employees or contractors employed in jobs far outside the Wash DC area. Like I indicated the cost is high for all residents and they are overburdened by our government structure.
I misread your post, I took teachers paytng taxes as justification for their salaries, my mistake. Actually the administrators of the NYS pension fund made the statement that high pensions are valuable to NYS because they increase our tax base.
Yes the tax base is just not there, that should enter into the equation of what we pay our government employees.
Not necessarily. Many times the pension recipients move to a lower tax state ... where the civil servants do not get those hefty pensions. So the pension money we are paying for increases another state's tax base.
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