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Old 12-18-2012, 10:15 AM
 
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"Well, the teachers pay high property taxes too."

I'm the beneficiary of the high property taxes because my wife is a teacher. Trust me, the benefits far, far outweigh the relative costs of our own property taxes. This argument is completely absurd.
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Old 12-18-2012, 06:47 PM
 
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"Well, the teachers pay high property taxes too."

I'm the beneficiary of the high property taxes because my wife is a teacher. Trust me, the benefits far, far outweigh the relative costs of our own property taxes. This argument is completely absurd.
I don't think anyone made that argument, you may want to reread the posts. The point is that teachers on Long Island are subject to the same costs that make this a high COL area (Fed and state taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, housing costs, insurance, auto, utilities, etc...). Where the costs are high, and this is not news, public sector employees may make more than public sector employees in low cost areas. It is also not news that public sector employees tend to have greater benefits (including due process rights, pensions, insurance etc) .than private sector employees. Yawn.
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Old 12-18-2012, 07:14 PM
 
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I don't think anyone made that argument, you may want to reread the posts. The point is that teachers on Long Island are subject to the same costs that make this a high COL area (Fed and state taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, housing costs, insurance, auto, utilities, etc...). Where the costs are high, and this is not news, public sector employees may make more than public sector employees in low cost areas. It is also not news that public sector employees tend to have greater benefits (including due process rights, pensions, insurance etc) .than private sector employees. Yawn.
In addition to the fact that many private sector jobs on Long Island are undercompensated and don't pay inappropriate relation to the COL. One of the reasons we need more fine industry.

I second what Quick Commenter said, private sector never had the benefits that public sector employees had, unless its a wealthy, massive company (PwC comes to mind). Difference was that private sector would pay a lot higher salaries. However like I said Long Island private sector is very underpaid.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:10 PM
 
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Dang I thought it was rough that my kid's 2nd grade teacher makes $130k until I just found out his GYM teacher makes
$124k!!! Yee haaaaaa! 2nd grade gym teacher? $124k?! Is there anybody out there?!? Twilight zone.....................
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:46 PM
 
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Dang I thought it was rough that my kid's 2nd grade teacher makes $130k until I just found out his GYM teacher makes
$124k!!! Yee haaaaaa! 2nd grade gym teacher? $124k?! Is there anybody out there?!? Twilight zone.....................
Well there is an obesity epidemic in this country
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:52 PM
 
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$50,000 annual salary in Indiana is comparable to $118,000 if you're living in Manhattan.

$50,000 annual salary in Indiana is comparable to $83,000 if you're living in Queens.

$50,000 annual salary in Indiana is comparable to $99,000 if you're living in Brooklyn

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Old 12-19-2012, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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In addition to the fact that many private sector jobs on Long Island are undercompensated and don't pay inappropriate relation to the COL. One of the reasons we need more fine industry.

I second what Quick Commenter said, private sector never had the benefits that public sector employees had, unless its a wealthy, massive company (PwC comes to mind). Difference was that private sector would pay a lot higher salaries. However like I said Long Island private sector is very underpaid.
What professional jobs in the private sector are youreferring to that are under compensated, yes there are less professional jobs than in the past but I would not classify them as undercompensated.

Truth is public sector compensation has far outpaced the middle class, when you have kindergarten teachers being paid $130K with those benefits, I would say that is rather extreme compared to other private professionals.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:45 PM
 
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$50,000 annual salary in Indiana is comparable to $118,000 if you're living in Manhattan.

$50,000 annual salary in Indiana is comparable to $83,000 if you're living in Queens.

$50,000 annual salary in Indiana is comparable to $99,000 if you're living in Brooklyn

here, have fun:
Cost of Living Calculator: Compare the Cost of Living in Two Cities - CNNMoney
I don't live in Indiana. I live on Long Island. I know what it costs to live here and I know the median income and free market salary range. Comparisons to E. Podunk are pointless. They don't factor into the situation here. I'm sure the taxpayers there are struggling similarly with the same issue of lopsided public salaries and benefits.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:59 PM
 
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What professional jobs in the private sector are youreferring to that are under compensated, yes there are less professional jobs than in the past but I would not classify them as undercompensated.

Truth is public sector compensation has far outpaced the middle class, when you have kindergarten teachers being paid $130K with those benefits, I would say that is rather extreme compared to other private professionals.
My daughter's physics teacher has 35 years of experience (at least) and I saw his salary is 129K. Should I get excited over that? It is a high COL area, but he could probably get by on less. Maybe he should get a raise?

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Old 12-19-2012, 07:32 PM
 
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My daughter's physics teacher has 35 years of experience (at least) and I saw his salary is 129K. Should I get excited over that? It is a high COL area, but he could probably get by on less. Maybe he should get a raise?
Damn, $129k for a partial year job with stellar benefits? How does he survive? Must be living on cat food and ramen. With all that experience he should teach at the university level...where it pays $95k and half the benefits. I doubt he's interested. I'm sure he's a good teacher. He's also an extremely well compensated teacher.
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