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This may sound absurd BUT with the inability to negotiate salary cuts for Nassau's police force, I was wondering if it would be possible for Nassau to dissolve its PUBLIC police force altogether and contract out the police work to private firms? If privatization is such a panacea for public sector services (I'm not claiming that I believe it), why have I never heard it considered for law enforcement?
This may sound absurd BUT with the inability to negotiate salary cuts for Nassau's police force, I was wondering if it would be possible for Nassau to dissolve its PUBLIC police force altogether and contract out the police work to private firms? If privatization is such a panacea for public sector services (I'm not claiming that I believe it), why have I never heard it considered for law enforcement?
They did it in a small town in California but that would be difficult here but maybe they could start out with the crime lab. Its worked out pretty well in Maywood.
Gingerich is proposing a bill in congress to allow states to declare bankruptcy so they can get out from under some of these burdensome pensions and salaries to avoid federal bailouts.
They did it in a small town in California but that would be difficult here but maybe they could start out with the crime lab. Its worked out pretty well in Maywood.
Gingerich is proposing a bill in congress to allow states to declare bankruptcy so they can get out from under some of these burdensome pensions and salaries to avoid federal bailouts.
Moderator cut: snip To me that is VERY relevant to this discussion. If states can suddenly declare bankruptcy because they are unable to pay pensions, how far can a county be behind it?
The salary discussion is important short term, but most of your future tax increases are going to be necessary simply to keep the pensions going. They're borrowing like crazy just so they look solvent today.
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Moderator cut: snip To me that is VERY relevant to this discussion. If states can suddenly declare bankruptcy because they are unable to pay pensions, how far can a county be behind it?
The salary discussion is important short term, but most of your future tax increases are going to be necessary simply to keep the pensions going. They're borrowing like crazy just so they look solvent today.
I don't know how I feel about a governmental body declaring bankruptcy. I've always resented individuals who have declared bankruptcy after years of making poor personal financial decisions. I have two friends who unloaded all the debt they accrued in their twenties going to Broadway shows, concerts, vacations, etc, etc, by declaring bankruptcy once they turned 30. Wouldn't bankruptcy by our government legitimize the practice for irresponsible individuals such as these? There has to be a better way!
I don't know how I feel about a governmental body declaring bankruptcy. I've always resented individuals who have declared bankruptcy after years of making poor personal financial decisions. I have two friends who unloaded all the debt they accrued in their twenties going to Broadway shows, concerts, vacations, etc, etc, by declaring bankruptcy once they turned 30. Wouldn't bankruptcy by our government legitimize the practice for irresponsible individuals such as these? There has to be a better way!
If the states can't meet their obligations they will ask for more federal money as they usually do. Illinois raised their taxes again and is on the verge of being insolvent.
2009 Median Salary (Nassau County Police & Fire): $131,048.00
2009 "Top 1000" Median Salary (Nassau Police & Fire): $159,089.01
2010 Median Salary (Nassau County Police & Fire): $129,213.34
2010 "Top 1000" Median Salary (Nassau Police & Fire): $157,089.77
2009 Garden City Median HOUSEHOLD Income: $135,313
Headcount remained virtually the same.
In the USA: Police and sheriff's patrol officers had median annual wages of $51,410 in May 2008. The middle 50 percent earned between $38,850 and $64,940. The lowest 10 percent earned less than $30,070, and the highest 10 percent earned more than $79,680. Median annual wages were $46,620 in Federal Government, $57,270 in State government, $51,020 in local government and $43,350 in educational services.
Yeah, we totally HATE our civil servants...please.
This is long island. What are you going to pay them 30k a year?
Just because your friends on wall street destroyed the economy it doesn't mean civil servants now have to reduce their salaries anymore.
Maybe you should direct you anger at your criminal wall street friends who shut down 42,000 American factories since 2001 and sent the jobs to China and India.
This is long island. What are you going to pay them 30k a year?
Just because your friends on wall street destroyed the economy it doesn't mean civil servants now have to reduce their salaries anymore.
Maybe you should direct you anger at your criminal wall street friends who shut down 42,000 American factories since 2001 and sent the jobs to China and India.
Great rant!
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This is long island. What are you going to pay them 30k a year?
Just because your friends on wall street destroyed the economy it doesn't mean civil servants now have to reduce their salaries anymore.
Maybe you should direct you anger at your criminal wall street friends who shut down 42,000 American factories since 2001 and sent the jobs to China and India.
There's quite a bit of area between 150K and 30K. I'm sure people are aware of this, but PBA guidelines apparently require that no one arguing on the police side of the issue must use rationality or logic in their arguments. Only hyperbole, exaggeration, and fear...and when that doesn't work accuse some one of being a criminal or having made a poor career choice.
We could have a more than adequate police force in Suffolk and Nassau counties with cops making 100K with some overtime, as opposed to 150K, and the cops would still do well. Their wives might have to work like most of the rest of the families on LI, granted. That reduction alone would see a decrease in property taxes by a few percentage points, and would leave more money in the sales tax coffers..or maybe they could lower that also by a percent or 2, because public safety is part of what we pay in sales tax. Look it up.
Their wives might have to work like most of the rest of the families on LI, granted.
That implies that their wives don't work, which is fallacy. I don't know any who don't work. There are a few with their own successful businesses, too, and I don't mean selling oven mitts on Etsy. I mean things requiring a lot of work, responsibility, and long hours, like day-care centers.
Some LI police officers have wives who work and, of course, that is a given. Why not?
The question is, do their wives HAVE TO work (as in for economic survival) like many other wives on Long Island do? That was what dman was talking about. Not whether or not they do work, but if they HAVE TO work.
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