Discussion thread for LI Civil Service pensions and salaries (Nassau: student loans, wage)
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Mike agreed with me that there can be nepotism in police hiring in NCPD and SCPD, so that's what he knows.
Here we go with the sore loser putdowns. Please think of something less of a cliche than "typing on computer in mommy's basement."
I am a her.
So, yes, it has been agreed that nepotism is a possibility when it comes to hiring in the SCPD and NCPD.
My last comment to you.......I NEVER SAID HIRING ....like I said before after your on (the Job)....you might ask someone for a favor but once again they can't get you hired....just look back from page one Sorry it's all there to see.........I'm done really I am.
Let's not let this nonsense take away from the fact that multiple sources cite the median salary of an NCPD/SCPD between $125-145K a year. Cut the pay $25,000 per officer and the average pay is still six figures and their benefits and vacation time aren't touched - all while the counties save approximately $40 million each!
Reading comprehension still apparently a problem. No one except your "police experts" ever said nepotism is a possibility in hiring, not even Mike (especially since he was never part of NCPD or SCPD.) Like I've said before, you only read what you want to read. And you've got way too much time on your hands.
You said it's NOT a possibility in hiring on NCPD and SCPD due to the civil service process.
It can be a possibility. That has been established.
There are ways around everything.
Last edited by I_Love_LI_but; 01-20-2011 at 07:55 PM..
My last comment to you.......I NEVER SAID HIRING ....like I said before after your on (the Job)....you might ask someone for a favor but once again they can't get you hired....just look back from page one Sorry it's all there to see.........I'm done really I am.
Yeah go back and read.
You agreed with me that it could be a possibility ... "nepotism happens in the real world."
I decided to take your advice and look up the 5 steps because I always thought there were three but don't admit to being a know it all
Legislative Hearing:
In those instances where arbitration is not permitted, if one or both parties does not accept the fact-finding report in its entirety, then for public employees (with the exception of public employees of educational institutions, police, fire fighters and certain transit employees) the next step is a legislative hearing. The Governor's Office of Employee Relations submits to the Legislature a copy of the fact-finding report plus the agency's own recommendations for resolving the dispute. The employee organization may submit its recommendations for settling the dispute as well. A public hearing is then conducted by the Legislature or a legislative committee to hear the positions of both sides. The Legislature usually directs both parties to resume negotiations but occasionally, the legislature will choose to impose employment terms. Such imposition may be for no more than a single fiscal year. A legislative determination cannot change the terms of an expired agreement unless the employee organization has waived its right to stand on those terms.
So now I know why you are not a civil service employee. Because you you do not have the proper reading comprehension to pass a test. Step 4 does is for those that do not have arbitration and does not pertain to police and some other employees
The legislature felt the need to add in additional protection for police for some unknown reason so they require binding arbitration so yes they never move beyond that point. You actually brought up the pont that binding arbitrations needs to be approved by the legislature every 2 years. Do you recall any public hearings by the legislature for the last SCPD contract? Its a key point because that has driven up salaries through arbitrators decisions that consider nothing but the last contract of the adjacent county (not NYC)and the union is more than happy to go that route.
"The Taylor Law was in existence for only seven years when, in 1974, the State Legislature adopted amendments making binding "interest arbitration"[24] by a tripartite panel[25] the final step in resolving police and fire impasses.[26] There was no evidence unions representing uniformed services were having an exceptionally difficult time settling contracts without the ability to strike or to invoke arbitration.[27] Rather, the changes more likely reflected the lobbying effectiveness of police and firefighter unions in a statewide election year. The law was regarded as an "experiment" when enacted[28], but it has been extended every two years for the past 33 years."
Originally Posted by truthone
Mr Goodnight, The contract is compared to all the depts on Nassau County and Suffolk County and actually the NYPD is taken into consideration. So may be you should educate yourself on that process. You must be a teacher or some relation to one with your answer and 3/4 of the tax bill going to schools. And since you dont have a contract handy I will let you know some money taken to off set. Uniform allowance, OT at straight time, holidays taken back, weeks of pay deferred. Raises deferred. No I didn't became a gardner nor did I become a stockbroker so I play by the rules in my sand box and they play by the rules in there's. If any of them want changes there is the legislature where our rules were made and could be changed in the future. But for now the rules are we have a legal contract that could just not be broken. See you at Cheesecake Factory later. You might want to go one time less this year because thats what it should cost to get the county out of the mess it really should not be in.
No I don't recall them doing but they have the power to do it. And they wouldn't discuss a particular contract such as SCPD. They have the power to end binding arbitration. So the hearing would be on that You seems to quote as fact things that are not fact such as the five steps and Police only going three, Now you are quoting that NYPD is not considered in PERB arbitration. Well are you sitting in on the meetings. It is factored in so don't just pass along your opinions as fact. And as NIFA was discussing Nassau being taken over today Forbes magazine came out with the list of the top ten affluent communities in the USA. Nassau had four. So this ability to pay extra school taxes every year and the public voting yes to hundreds dollars in raises a year, and not having the ability to raise the county tax ( for not just police that you have the beef with) 50 to 100 bucks every few years with is a joke.
No I don't recall them doing but they have the power to do it. And they wouldn't discuss a particular contract such as SCPD. They have the power to end binding arbitration. So the hearing would be on that You seems to quote as fact things that are not fact such as the five steps and Police only going three, Now you are quoting that NYPD is not considered in PERB arbitration. Well are you sitting in on the meetings. It is factored in so don't just pass along your opinions as fact. And as NIFA was discussing Nassau being taken over today Forbes magazine came out with the list of the top ten affluent communities in the USA. Nassau had four. So this ability to pay extra school taxes every year and the public voting yes to hundreds dollars in raises a year, and not having the ability to raise the county tax ( for not just police that you have the beef with) 50 to 100 bucks every few years with is a joke.
You are right the arbitrator always indicates that NYC is a consideration but it has to be extremely minor otherwise explain to me how a comparison to NYC and SCPD always ends up with a result that is higher than SCPD. That doesn't sound like much of a fair arbitration decision. We will see if binding arbitration is approved in July, removing it may not cure all the problems but it will be a start. Binding arbitration given politicians and the union the easy way out laying the burden on taxpayers. There was never a need for that added protection outside the Taylor Law.
Oh yes we are very affluent but are heading down hill with the loss of businesses that are relocating because of high taxes. Our infrastructure is rotting, we have a 40 year old sports arena, dump raw sewage into the bays, and run down county facilities that have not been improved in decades. There are other reasons beside NCPD but when you add in pay increases for an already onerous contract you are heading in the wrong direction.
I have heard of certain cases where relatives were given an advantage if they were close to the top of the list but doubt that occurs very frequently. I was surprised that a seemingly high number of NYC cops get hired since I would have thought that if they scored high they would have been picked in the first place. There's one below that slipped through the screening, I doubt that it was prevalent but still a shocker.
NASSAU COP'S ROUGH PAST Twice arrested, often cited, he faces rights lawsuit (http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/2000/12/27/2000-12-27_nassau_cop_s_rough_past_twic.html - broken link)
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I think you all have made your point about hiring. Next!!!!
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