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Old 02-01-2011, 03:23 PM
 
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Apparently you know all there is to know about what cops do, how they do it and what qualifications it takes to do it effectively. And that's the difference between you and me, skippy. I've been there and done that ... while all you can do is read about it. You're clueless. I'm not.

I pretty much know most of what cops do, yes indeed. Grandpappy was a cop. uncle was a cop, cousins are cops, I was in 2 cops wedding parties. Yep, I'm a cop hater. And I'm the clueless one.

You would think police work is Nuclear Physics with the way you cryptically infer about how little everyone knows about what you do.

 
Old 02-01-2011, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Wellsville, Glurt County
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Geez... we've covered this whole "BUT IT'S A DANGEROUS JOB" thing a million times before. Maybe for police officers in Baltimore, not on Long Island. Here, delivering Chinese Food is a far more dangerous job. My line the last time this topic came up was "maybe they should unionize since it's such a dangerous job. I wonder if a $35 egg roll will taste better than what we have now?"

If unionized police officers make us safer and it's allegedly worth the expense, shouldn't unionized Chinese delivery taste better or come faster and be worth the expense? Only one of them is actually dangerous, of course...

Personally, I think it's kind of morbid and disrespectful to try and put a pricetag on human life... but if that's the big argument for paying our police officers an amount of money that is hurting Long Island as a whole in, arguably, many more ways than it's helping...

From this thread:

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The Nassau County Police Department was formed in 1925.

Since then, 29 NCPD officers have perished on the job.

Of those 29, 12 were killed by automobile accidents, 3 by motorcycle....

...of those 15 accidents, 3 involved drunk drivers....

3 officers accidentally shot themselves with their service weapon...

1 died in a helicopter crash, another 1 tripped on a curb and fell the wrong way on his head...

2 officers were killed during vehicular pursuits, 1 suffered a heart attack a few days after being punched in the chest on a domestic disturbance call...

And finally, 7 NCPD officers were killed by non-accidental gunfire in the line of duty, although it hasn't happened since 1975. That equals 10 non-accidental deaths in the 84 year history of the department. No NCPD officers have died on the job since 1993.

All info from this website.
Suffolk was similar. Bad argument, try another one.
 
Old 02-01-2011, 03:32 PM
 
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There were 186 police officers killed in 2007. The majority of them in traffic accidents.

There were 167 people killed working in retail the same year. 58% of those deaths are due to homicides, the leading cause of death.

[URL="http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/article_f95052d7-655c-53c3-ab44-23bbcd6c86df.html"]Working late-night retail dangerous job[/URL]

[URL="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22400744/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/"]Police deaths up sharply in 2007 - U.S. news - Crime & courts - msnbc.com[/URL]

Again, this is nation wide. A lot of those places where cops get killed regularly, being a cop is not a lottery ticket job.

It's much safer to be a cop on LI than most places in the US.
So what's your point? Police should be paid like retail workers? Too bad the daily duties for a police officer are much more dangerous than those of a retail worker, never mind the training and physical requirements involved. For every fatality, there are exponentially more on-the-job injuries. 60,000 injuries a year. Protecting your arse and mine.

So, sorry, not buying what you're selling. Never have, never will.
 
Old 02-01-2011, 03:36 PM
 
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Current stats on law enforcement fatalities:

National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: Preliminary 2011 Fatality Statistics

Facts:

National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: Law Enforcement Facts

From the above link:

A total of 1,626 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past 10 years, an average of one death every 53 hours or 163 per year.

National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund: Honoring Officers

From the above link:

Each year, there are approximately 16,000 assaults on law enforcement officers, resulting in nearly 60,000 injuries.

Stats compiled from voluntary input, which means this reflects only a portion of actual injuries and fatalities:

The Officer Down Memorial Page, Inc. (ODMP)

Revisit and refresh as needed, because the tallies will increase every few days.
What does the above have to do with the job related risks of a LI cop? Are you saying they are comparable? If so, how does it then relate to the topic of this thread which is namely LI civil service salaries and benefits? If the stats go down would you support a provision in their contract to be paid less?
 
Old 02-01-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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What does the above have to do with the job related risks of a LI cop? Are you saying they are comparable? If so, how does it then relate to the topic of this thread which is namely LI civil service salaries and benefits? If the stats go down should there be a provision in their contract to get less pay?
Don't be so sure that LI cops have it easier than any other suburban cops. In fact, given the rise of MS-13 and other gangs in the area and the heroin problem, I'd wager they might actually have it tougher than their peers in other suburban environments.

I have no problems with their compensation. Y'all can keep flogging this dead horse all you want, but my mind is made up, just as yours is. The difference between you and me is that I don't have to put any effort into this. As has been said many times on this thread and others, if you don't like something, get off your arse and do something to change it. As far as I can tell, all people on this board do is whine and complain, which, contrary to what they want to believe, changes nothing, starts nothing, and results in nothing.

I know, because I've asked them what they've done and how their ideas were received by those who actually have the power to implement change, and I met with silence.

This thread, and all the others like it, is nothing but hot air. But go on. Complain if it makes you feel better.
 
Old 02-01-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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So what's your point? Police should be paid like retail workers? Too bad the daily duties for a police officer are much more dangerous than those of a retail worker, never mind the training and physical requirements involved. For every fatality, there are exponentially more on-the-job injuries. 60,000 injuries a year. Protecting your arse and mine.

So, sorry, not buying what you're selling. Never have, never will.
Nope, a police officer should be paid $1 less then what a comparable replacement would demand for income. So, if someone else would take the job for $50,000 to take the job, then the police officer in that position would be paid $49,999. Fatalities, on the job injuries, how "hard" the job is, stress level, or how physically demanding the position has little bearing on salary in America. All those reasons for paying someone more are just socialist responses of fairness and equitable income. They have no place in a capitalist society.
 
Old 02-01-2011, 03:42 PM
 
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I pretty much know most of what cops do, yes indeed. Grandpappy was a cop. uncle was a cop, cousins are cops, I was in 2 cops wedding parties. Yep, I'm a cop hater. And I'm the clueless one.

You would think police work is Nuclear Physics with the way you cryptically infer about how little everyone knows about what you do.
Wow, being a cop's wedding party sure gives you the inside scoop on what the job is like. Yeah, I'd sure use that to demonstrate my intimate knowledge of what cops do.

You know, my brother was in the service for more than a decade ... but I'd consider it rather presumptuous to tell anyone that I knew all about what he did and how he did it. Get the point?

Come to think of it, we've yet to thoroughly scrutinize what you do for a living. How about telling us all about it so we can decide what the qualifications and performance expectations should be for your job. That should be entertaining.

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Old 02-01-2011, 03:48 PM
 
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Geez... we've covered this whole "BUT IT'S A DANGEROUS JOB" thing a million times before. Maybe for police officers in Baltimore, not on Long Island. Here, delivering Chinese Food is a far more dangerous job. My line the last time this topic came up was "maybe they should unionize since it's such a dangerous job. I wonder if a $35 egg roll will taste better than what we have now?"

If unionized police officers make us safer and it's allegedly worth the expense, shouldn't unionized Chinese delivery taste better or come faster and be worth the expense? Only one of them is actually dangerous, of course...

Personally, I think it's kind of morbid and disrespectful to try and put a pricetag on human life... but if that's the big argument for paying our police officers an amount of money that is hurting Long Island as a whole in, arguably, many more ways than it's helping...

From this thread:



Suffolk was similar. Bad argument, try another one.
You must have missed the part about cops being shot and killed in places other than the big, bad city. It's happening now in large cities and small towns across America (12 cops in 11 days.)

FYI, dman raised the danger issue with one of his usual sarcastic comments. And you're the only one arguing about unions.
 
Old 02-01-2011, 03:49 PM
 
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Don't be so sure that LI cops have it easier than any other suburban cops. In fact, given the rise of MS-13 and other gangs in the area and the heroin problem, I'd wager they might actually have it tougher than their peers in other suburban environments.

I have no problems with their compensation. Y'all can keep flogging this dead horse all you want, but my mind is made up, just as yours is. The difference between you and me is that I don't have to put any effort into this. As has been said many times on this thread and others, if you don't like something, get off your arse and do something to change it. As far as I can tell, all people on this board do is whine and complain, which, contrary to what they want to believe, changes nothing, starts nothing, and results in nothing.

I know, because I've asked them what they've done and how their ideas were received by those who actually have the power to implement change, and I met with silence.

This thread, and all the others like it, is nothing but hot air. But go on. Complain if it makes you feel better.
No complaining here. I asked what you thought the relationship is between nationwide stats of police job-related risks and the salaries and benefits of an LI cop. I don't understand why your links were presented.
 
Old 02-01-2011, 03:51 PM
 
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No complaining here. I asked what you thought the relationship is between nationwide stats of police job-related risks and the salaries and benefits of an LI cop. I don't understand why your links were presented.
PD already answered that: LEOs get hurt on the job in suburbia.

The links just show you where.
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