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I'll be calling him in support. No one needs a 30 round clip except to kill lots of people in short period of time. So, unless you're Tony Montana expecting an invasion of Peruvian drug hit men, you don't need a 30 round magazine.
It's about time we stopped caring so much about the desires of overgrown children and their little boy fetishes to have the biggest pop gun on the block. You don't need a 30 round clip for home defense.
Does it matter if the gunman had 1 gun with 30 rounds in it or 2 preloaded guns with 15 rounds in it or 3 guns preloaded with 10 rounds each?
Typical knee jerk reaction to ban what was used to kill someone. Should we ban steak knives the next time some nut job goes and starts killing people with them?
Well for starters they are cops, it's part of their job. Secondly, training is a big part of it. Not to mention citizens don't take part in raids (unless they are the ones getting raided).
Its one thing for a private citizen to be able to arm themselves for self-defense. Its a completely different story to arm them in the same manner a cop or the Military are armed.
Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606)25. And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The ‘error rate’ for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high." -Newsweek (15 November 1993)
Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense with a firearm every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America"—a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.3
As you can see, civilians have far more incidences of self defense uses against criminals (same reason cops can carry those evil high-cap mags), yet you and more then a few other people say that civilian ownership should be limited on the exact opposite reasons.
Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606)25. And readers of Newsweek learned that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The ‘error rate’ for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high." -Newsweek (15 November 1993)
Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense with a firearm every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America"—a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig.3
As you can see, civilians have far more incidences of self defense uses against criminals (same reason cops can carry those evil high-cap mags), yet you and more then a few other people say that civilian ownership should be limited on the exact opposite reasons.
And no civilian needs to fire off 30+ rounds in order to protect themselves.
And no civilian needs to fire off 30+ rounds in order to protect themselves.
Again... it doesnt matter if a gunman had 1 gun preloaded with a 30 round clip or 3 guns with "legal" 10 round clips.
A criminal will find a way to get what they want, legal or not legal. Someone said on the news the other day that an HS metal shop student could make a 30 round clip.
And no civilian needs to fire off 30+ rounds in order to protect themselves.
Who are you to define how many rounds a person may or may not need in a situation. I watched a video where 4 armed bad guys pulled up to a mans house, all armed. More then ten shots to deal with 4 people, this isn't a movie.
A few things:
1) I stock nothing but 30rnd magazines because I can both use them for defense and use them at the range. Why would I buy overpriced 10rnd mags.
2) What is high-capacity to you? Many guns come standard with 15rnd magazines. These magazines then need to be modified to fit into these insane laws like NY has. Most rifles had around 20rnd as a magazine standard. Guns like the AR-15 adopted the 30rnd standard by their owners because it was easier to get those magazines, and again the reload times were significantly less. By using the 10rnd-standard your just parroting the pundits trying to push and agenda.
3) If your looking at multiple assailants and talking about multi-round per criminal then you are extremely limited in your ability to deal with the situation. Speed reloading is all well and good, but why reload if you don't have to in an intense situation where your families lives may be at risk.
4) You haven't presented any facts to support your arguement. While "I feel" may be good for yourself and your decision to have guns in the house or not, your feelings should not intrude on the rest of us. In fact, the CDC has come out and said that gun control laws have had no discernable effect on crime.
Who are you to define how many rounds a person may or may not need in a situation. I watched a video where 4 armed bad guys pulled up to a mans house, all armed. More then ten shots to deal with 4 people, this isn't a movie.
A few things:
1) I stock nothing but 30rnd magazines because I can both use them for defense and use them at the range. Why would I buy overpriced 10rnd mags.
2) What is high-capacity to you? Many guns come standard with 15rnd magazines. These magazines then need to be modified to fit into these insane laws like NY has. Most rifles had around 20rnd as a magazine standard. Guns like the AR-15 adopted the 30rnd standard by their owners because it was easier to get those magazines, and again the reload times were significantly less. By using the 10rnd-standard your just parroting the pundits trying to push and agenda.
3) If your looking at multiple assailants and talking about multi-round per criminal then you are extremely limited in your ability to deal with the situation. Speed reloading is all well and good, but why reload if you don't have to in an intense situation where your families lives may be at risk.
4) You haven't presented any facts to support your arguement. While "I feel" may be good for yourself and your decision to have guns in the house or not, your feelings should not intrude on the rest of us. In fact, the CDC has come out and said that gun control laws have had no discernable effect on crime.
There is no self defense need to shoot off 30 rounds without reloading period none.
There needs to be some type of common sense in what type of guns should be allowed and what shouldn't. Rocket launcher's grenades, Uzi's? Where does it end?
There is no self defense need to shoot off 30 rounds without reloading period none.
There needs to be some type of common sense in what type of guns should be allowed and what shouldn't. Rocket launcher's grenades, Uzi's? Where does it end?
So you don't have a real answer. Your personal opinions aside, get some facts to support your evidence. NYPD (2nd hand info, not vouching for it) said that the average semi-auto number of shots fired in a police shooting is 9. Thats not much of a margin of error you are leaving the law abiding citizens.
Uzis are class 3, regulated with class 3 permit, tax stamp, and giving up some constiutional rights. F/A guns are some where around $10,000 and up.
Rocket launchers and grenade launchers are covered under destructive devices, not legal without a permit (not sure if its a class 3 or something else), plus their extremely expensive to purchase and equip.
There is no self defense need to shoot off 30 rounds without reloading period none.
There needs to be some type of common sense in what type of guns should be allowed and what shouldn't. Rocket launcher's grenades, Uzi's? Where does it end?
How many folks die at the blast of there own weapon?
Simple burglary gone deadly because Sheldon thinks hes John Wayne and gets stripped of his own defense?
How many folks die at the blast of there own weapon?
Simple burglary gone deadly because Sheldon thinks hes John Wayne and gets stripped of his own defense?
Crooks
649 Accidental deaths accord to Anti-Gun washingtonceasefire.org quoting CDC.
Thats a rate of 0.000004 deaths per firearm on accident.
Finding the exact data your looking for is hard to do, best I was able to find is that 4 police officers were killed in the line of duty by their own guns. You can extrapolate that into 800,000 uniformed officers at various levels into a population of roughly 50,000,000 gun owners. That brings us to around 63 deaths/yr if we have any sort of proportionality. That brings the rate of 0.000001 deaths per firearm (0.0001% chance).
So you don't have a real answer. Your personal opinions aside, get some facts to support your evidence. NYPD (2nd hand info, not vouching for it) said that the average semi-auto number of shots fired in a police shooting is 9. Thats not much of a margin of error you are leaving the law abiding citizens.
Uzis are class 3, regulated with class 3 permit, tax stamp, and giving up some constiutional rights. F/A guns are some where around $10,000 and up.
Rocket launchers and grenade launchers are covered under destructive devices, not legal without a permit (not sure if its a class 3 or something else), plus their extremely expensive to purchase and equip.
I await your factual response.
And police shootings are a bit different from a law abiding citizen shooting. For example that likely takes into consideration something like a raid which will generally see quite a bit for shots fired than your typical shooting.
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