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A teacher who is performing that poorly can be terminated. Tenure only prevents you from being fired WITHOUT just cause.
I would expect that having a teacher terminated for poor performance is a very difficult area as far as the law. How would you set the bar for dismissal, test scores, grading procedures, etc?
Bloomberg is trying to get authorization to dismiss the hundred's of teachers in the rubber rooms, so he can hire productive teachers in their place. Not all are there for performance reasons but if removal was easy that would not be the case.
Just curious if anyone knows of a teacher removed for poor performance?
You need to read over OhBeeHave's posts more carefully.
Her son was correct - Mr. O'Leary directs traffic. And he checked for illegal substances and booze - all part of the job. What part of that do you not understand??
His additional pay was due to directing traffic to pump up the last few years of pay to increase his pension payout.
And then there's the huge increase in salary over another phys. ed. teacher. Roughly $30,000+. All a matter of record. Don't believe it? Research it yourself.
Read them again...OhBeeHave herself correctly summed up the many different postions (including that of sports supervisor) that her 18 year old was not aware of. You may want to read that post again before launching.
I would expect that having a teacher terminated for poor performance is a very difficult area as far as the law. How would you set the bar for dismissal, test scores, grading procedures, etc?
Bloomberg is trying to get authorization to dismiss the hundred's of teachers in the rubber rooms, so he can hire productive teachers in their place. Not all are there for performance reasons but if removal was easy that would not be the case.
Just curious if anyone knows of a teacher removed for poor performance?
I would start with their evaluations. I think tenured teachers are evaluated at least once a year. I'm not saying it's an easy process and maybe that can be worked on as well. I don't have a good suggestion in reference to the teacher who basically took her last year off and then retired.
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Read them again...OhBeeHave herself correctly summed up the many different postions (including that of sports supervisor) that her 18 year old was not aware of. You may want to read that post again before launching.
How does anyone explain the gym teacher making $4 or $5K less than the 2nd guy in 1996 and then $30,000 more in 2010?
How does anyone explain the gym teacher making $4 or $5K less than the 2nd guy in 1996 and then $30,000 more in 2010?
There are numerous explanations of course. The most obvious one is that the first guy earns the graduate credits to move across the salary scale while the second does not. We are talking about 15 years after all. A second obvious explanation is that the 2nd guy stops coaching, etc. A third one is that the 1st guy starts piling on the extracurricular stipends, etc. Or a combination of all three. Or a whole host of other possibilities too boring to list. Time for a new thread.
I would start with their evaluations. I think tenured teachers are evaluated at least once a year. I'm not saying it's an easy process and maybe that can be worked on as well. I don't have a good suggestion in reference to the teacher who basically took her last year off and then retired.
I would like to expand on this. I don't think standardized test scores are enough to make or break a teacher. Teachers are evaluated from year one and these could be used to a greater extent. Additional reviews from multiple sources, not just the principal (for fairness), over a period of time would give a good indication of a teachers performance. I find it hard to belive a teacher could go "stale" in only one year unless they purposely gave up.
I would like to expand on this. I don't think standardized test scores are enough to make or break a teacher. Teachers are evaluated from year one and these could be used to a greater extent. Additional reviews from multiple sources, not just the principal (for fairness), over a period of time would give a good indication of a teachers performance. I find it hard to belive a teacher could go "stale" in only one year unless they purposely gave up.
I don't recall this amount of teachers being removed from class room in Nassau/Suffolk. Whatever the reason I think it is more difficult to even remove from the classroom.
[LEFT]"The plan, being discussed at the highest levels of the Legislature and with aides to Bloomberg, would grant the mayor the right to fire between 2,000 to 4,000 nonclassroom teachers -- including all those who formerly languished in the notorious "rubber room" under disciplinary charges"
Please don't forget that "teacher" pensions include professors at the State Universities. That may be bringing up the average pay out. No true teacher in a public school makes enough to warrant that type of pension. Also don't forget that teachers pay 3% of their salary into their pension plan.
Haha!! I got you guys beat hands down there... I pay 12% of my salary into my 401k....and have been for 13 years..... Dont you guys wish you were me? I get to work for many more years while you guys are going to be home doing nothing when you retire.....Then when I do retire, I will have to work a second job just to stay afloat.... Boy I got it good..
And the part left out is they only have to pay that for 10 years. The rest of their teaching careers they pay NOTHING.
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