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Old 02-12-2011, 06:13 AM
 
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Let's not forget that the reason we are experiencing this shortfall is because we don't have the political will to tax the people who are earning the money in this country and in this state. We pretend that our economy is in a slump, but GDP is rising. More money is being made. It is just being amassed by the people to whom governments have been giving tax cuts - of late. So, this is self-inflicted pain.

Conservatives been against public education, except in their own neighborhoods, since its inception. That is a historical fact. Let's not pretend that this is not part of that campaign. This is an effort to weaken public service unions and to reduce state and local liabilities.

Conservatives (and Clinton) have also been pro-free-market. This is why all the jobs are gone. Americans who like lavish things like food, homes, heat, and booster shots can't compete with workers who will trade their liberties and quality of life for a quarter (Chinese?) because they'e been deprived for so long.

So, with the jobs gone and a Tea Party in place to channel our anger at the only people remaining who are living good working class lives, we get angry at cops and teachers.

I understand the anger, but it is misdirected. We need some Tahrir Square action in this country soon. We need to eat the rich.
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Old 02-12-2011, 07:45 AM
 
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Let's not forget that the reason we are experiencing this shortfall is because we don't have the political will to tax the people who are earning the money in this country and in this state. We pretend that our economy is in a slump, but GDP is rising. More money is being made. It is just being amassed by the people to whom governments have been giving tax cuts - of late. So, this is self-inflicted pain.

Conservatives been against public education, except in their own neighborhoods, since its inception. That is a historical fact. Let's not pretend that this is not part of that campaign. This is an effort to weaken public service unions and to reduce state and local liabilities.

Conservatives (and Clinton) have also been pro-free-market. This is why all the jobs are gone. Americans who like lavish things like food, homes, heat, and booster shots can't compete with workers who will trade their liberties and quality of life for a quarter (Chinese?) because they'e been deprived for so long.

So, with the jobs gone and a Tea Party in place to channel our anger at the only people remaining who are living good working class lives, we get angry at cops and teachers.

I understand the anger, but it is misdirected. We need some Tahrir Square action in this country soon. We need to eat the rich.

Amen!
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:02 AM
 
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eat the rich

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Old 02-12-2011, 09:00 AM
 
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We pretend that our economy is in a slump, but GDP is rising. More money is being made. It is just being amassed by the people to whom governments have been giving tax cuts - of late. So, this is self-inflicted pain.

I never looked at it that way. So the rich are getting richer and they have all of us working-class folk pointing our fingers at each other, blaming ourselves for our own economic problems. We tear ourselves apart while the rich sit back and watch.....Downright DIABOLICAL! LOL
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:07 AM
 
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Let's not forget that the reason we are experiencing this shortfall is because we don't have the political will to tax the people who are earning the money in this country and in this state. We pretend that our economy is in a slump, but GDP is rising. More money is being made. It is just being amassed by the people to whom governments have been giving tax cuts - of late. So, this is self-inflicted pain.

Conservatives been against public education, except in their own neighborhoods, since its inception. That is a historical fact. Let's not pretend that this is not part of that campaign. This is an effort to weaken public service unions and to reduce state and local liabilities.

Conservatives (and Clinton) have also been pro-free-market. This is why all the jobs are gone. Americans who like lavish things like food, homes, heat, and booster shots can't compete with workers who will trade their liberties and quality of life for a quarter (Chinese?) because they'e been deprived for so long.

So, with the jobs gone and a Tea Party in place to channel our anger at the only people remaining who are living good working class lives, we get angry at cops and teachers.

I understand the anger, but it is misdirected. We need some Tahrir Square action in this country soon. We need to eat the rich.
Thank you, the communist delegate from New York.
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:13 AM
 
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Thank you, the communist delegate from New York.
What about that was communistic? Everything I said was consistent with Adam Smith.

Who said something like "When I give them bread, they call me a saint. When I ask why they have no bread, they call me a communist."

Sorry for pointing to facts.
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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What about that was communistic? Everything I said was consistent with Adam Smith.

Who said something like "When I give them bread, they call me a saint. When I ask why they have no bread, they call me a communist."

Sorry for point to facts.
What does this have to do with teachers in Suffolk losing their jobs? Teachers do catch a beating around here, but how is taxing the rich and redistributing their wealth in the future going to save the teaching jobs now?

We get back .80 for every dollar we send to Albany. For what? State governance in the education system? Wealth redistribution to the cities? An archaic Regents exam system? Unfunded mandates to further strain the taxpayers?

The children need the teachers. The teachers need their jobs. The taxpayers do not need Albany and puppet school boards draining them.
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Old 02-12-2011, 09:35 AM
 
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Let's not forget that the reason we are experiencing this shortfall is because we don't have the political will to tax the people who are earning the money in this country and in this state. We pretend that our economy is in a slump, but GDP is rising. More money is being made. It is just being amassed by the people to whom governments have been giving tax cuts - of late. So, this is self-inflicted pain.

Conservatives been against public education, except in their own neighborhoods, since its inception. That is a historical fact. Let's not pretend that this is not part of that campaign. This is an effort to weaken public service unions and to reduce state and local liabilities.

Conservatives (and Clinton) have also been pro-free-market. This is why all the jobs are gone. Americans who like lavish things like food, homes, heat, and booster shots can't compete with workers who will trade their liberties and quality of life for a quarter (Chinese?) because they'e been deprived for so long.

So, with the jobs gone and a Tea Party in place to channel our anger at the only people remaining who are living good working class lives, we get angry at cops and teachers.

I understand the anger, but it is misdirected. We need some Tahrir Square action in this country soon. We need to eat the rich
.

The problem with socialism is we are letting 'the gov't' and the rich pick the winners to the detriment of the masses, the middle/working class (the losers); as opposed to free-markets where the 'demand' picks the winners and losers.

In this case (NY union-heavy socialism which obviously isn't working), the rich let the cops & school admin into the club. The cops are in the club to protect the rich -- in case the middle working class suckers try to eat them all.
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:12 AM
 
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Agreed

What happened to taking one for the team.

DMan.You married well.

My Union Teacher feels the same way.


I think a lot of teachers and other public servants would do exactly this, but the problem is that even if they took a pay cut, gave back perks, did EVERYTHING that was asked of them, they would still be told IT'S NOT ENOUGH. A school board or gov agency would never say "thanks for taking that freeze 2 years ago so now we're going to make it up to you." The sad reality is that sacrifice is never rewarded, but only seen as a justification of having it too good in the first place.

In one district I know the union offered MANY givebacks including a freeze, increased health costs etc, but were turned down flat by the board. Then the board continues the party line of union bashing, teacher bashing and all the rest.

It seems like saying NO to a good deal makes better politics than accepting it in the eyes of some boards looking to make a political statement.
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Old 02-12-2011, 10:18 AM
 
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What about that was communistic? Everything I said was consistent with Adam Smith.

Who said something like "When I give them bread, they call me a saint. When I ask why they have no bread, they call me a communist."

Sorry for pointing to facts.
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Let's not forget that the reason we are experiencing this shortfall is because we don't have the political will to tax the people who are earning the money in this country and in this state.
This has a socialist slant to it. I just said communist for a funny factor, but you are illustrating socialist doctrine in your posts. The repositioning of wealth without regard to earnings/output is a tenant of communist/socialist beliefs.

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Conservatives (and Clinton) have also been pro-free-market. This is why all the jobs are gone.Americans who like lavish things like food, homes, heat, and booster shots can't compete with workers who will trade their liberties and quality of life for a quarter (Chinese?) because they'e been deprived for so long.
No, all the jobs are gone because someone else will do it for cheaper. Not communist, per se, but extremely protectionist which is very Anti Adam Smith.

"To give the monopoly of the home market to the produce of domestic industry, in any particular art or manufacture, is in some measure to direct private people in what manner they ought to employ their capitals, and must, in almost all cases, be either a useless [in the sense of unnecessary] or a hurtful regulation."
-Adam Smith

It's ok. All socialist states want to hide behind the "Republic of ________," "The People's Republic of ________" or the "The Democratic State of ________" in order to hide their socialist views. Quoting Adam Smith and trying to loosely interpret over 1,000 pages of Victorian English is a very similar tactic.


Your pitchfork in hand idea of "Eat the Rich" has already been happening in New York. We are one of the top states when it comes to taxation, which is an economical redistribution of wealth (a pillar of socialist ideals). One of my favorite quote is Margaret Thatcher.

"...and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."

She said that back in 1976 and NY is learning it in 2011. She was quite prophetic in regards to this topic. Don't you think?
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