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Hmm. Ok, here's my practical and non-religious answer:If physical symbols need to be placed on public utility poles, then no, they shouldn't be allowed. There are reasons (safety and others) that the utlity company's want their poles free of "stuff". So, bending the rules for this religious based request doesn't pass the "reasonable" test, for me at least.
As has been pointed out, the private utility companies are not objecting.
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However, if the Orthodox community does nothing more than require the municipality to agree that they can create a symbolic (no physical requirements) erev, then I don't really see the problem. It's asking for symbolic permission for it's community members. Not sure if there is a slippery slope here. These seems reasonable to me.
As far as I know, and I'm no expert on this, for the eruv to be kosher, it needs to be a physical boundary, such as a wire, or a wall.
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Walter - you have always been a voice of reason on these boards. I'm not looking to do battle, but I think "The only serving Gentile foods in school" aurgument is extreme. Having a place to eat a kosher lunch brought from home seems to be sufficient to me. More than that and I think you've crossed the line of "reasonableness".
First, thank you; but, I'm fairly certain that there are others who do not share your opinion that I'm a voice of reason on these boards.
Second, serving only Gentile food violates the Separation of Church and State as it favors one religious group (Christians and non-observant Jews) while it disfavors a different religious group (more observant Jews): if schools offer anything more than just a lunch room where students can eat the food that they brought from home, then the school district should serve food that a child can eat without violating that child's family's private beliefs.
School districts are not required to have a kitchen facility, and do so only after deciding that a hot meal is educationally advantageous. If the school district then provides only hot Gentile meals and not hot kosher meals, it then, according to the school district's own words, places Jewish students, who only eat kosher food, at an educational disadvantage.
The U.S. Department of Agriculture's national kosher food depository, that supplies food to such things as the free school lunch program, is in New Cassel ("Westbury, NY 11590" mailing address). Receiving institutions are required to have kosher preparation facilities to prepare kosher meals from this USDA food.
Depending on the number of students requiring a kosher meal, a school district can either purchase pre-packaged kosher meals (like the kosher meals served on airplanes) or build a kosher kitchen.
Actually, if enough students request a kosher meal, a school district can convert their pre-existing Gentile kitchen into a kosher kitchen, and supply kosher meals to all students. Bear in mind, Christians are neither required to eat Gentile food nor prohibited from eating kosher food, while many Jewish students are prohibited from eating Gentile food and can only eat kosher food.
Second, serving only Gentile food violates the Separation of Church and State as it favors one religious group (Christians and non-observant Jews) while it disfavors a different religious group (more observant Jews): if schools offer anything more than just a lunch room where students can eat the food that they brought from home, then the school district should serve food that a child can eat without violating that child's family's private beliefs.
lol you're nuts.
It is not favoring Christians, it is favoring a generic meal at a low cost. There are no "Christian" meals, unless the SD starts serving fish on Fridays for Lent. Generic meals satisfy the hunger of the majority of students.
I guess if you guys disagree you could just vote down the budget and send your kids to private yeshivas anyway just to prove a point.
I guess, if we are going this route, we can say that SDs are observing the Sabbath by not being open on Saturdays.
I'm glad that all non-Jews are grouped into one class: Gentile.
We really need a politically correct, backhandedly derogatory name the other way around.
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