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Old 04-07-2011, 11:41 AM
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I just don't understand why the LIRR can't be run like the BART system out in Bay Area. Automate the whole thing. You enter a station, a ticket pops out and you enter the turnstiles. To exit a station, you pop in your ticket, pay what you owe, and the turnstiles release you.
... because BART is 20 years ahead of the LIRR in technology, and 100 years in progress.
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Old 04-07-2011, 11:42 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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I just don't understand why the LIRR can't be run like the BART system out in Bay Area. Automate the whole thing. You enter a station, a ticket pops out and you enter the turnstiles. To exit a station, you pop in your ticket, pay what you owe, and the turnstiles release you.
Railroads aren't built like Metros and you would have to retrofit every station in the system costing hundreds of millions of $$$. Only the Urban Stations should do that, which cut down on a few things. But it goes back to a safety thing , and the feds require at least 2 conductors per 6 car train.
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Old 04-07-2011, 11:45 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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... because BART is 20 years ahead of the LIRR in technology, and 100 years in progress.
BART is a metro and is 10 years behind other metros , no automated voices , backward/Unsafe seating arrangements , the system is to big for what its propose is , the system is falling apart in some places...... BART is not a good comparison , City Rail in Sydney is good system that the LIRR should model after. It has an Urban and Suburban fare system and layout , and uses conductors and ticket machines.
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Old 04-07-2011, 11:46 AM
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Railroads aren't built like Metros and you would have to retrofit every station in the system costing hundreds of millions of $$$. Only the Urban Stations should do that, which cut down on a few things. But it goes back to a safety thing , and the feds require at least 2 conductors per 6 car train.
Caltrain has a POP system- and stations dating as old as ours.

You buy your ticket, you board.
Tickets are never punched, but asked to be displayed on occasion.

No ticket results in a 200 dollar fine.

You could also retrofit the trains, and not the stations when it comes to payment.

LIRR ticket takers don't stop fights- so I don't see much safety from there presence.

They don't clean trains or vomit either.
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Old 04-07-2011, 11:50 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Caltrain has a POP system- and stations dating as old as ours.

You buy your ticket, you board.
Tickets are never punched, but asked to be displayed on occasion.

No ticket results in a 200 dollar fine.

You could also retrofit the trains, and not the stations when it comes to payment.

LIRR ticket takers don't stop fights- so I don't see much safety from there presence.

They don't clean trains or vomit either.
Yea and watch how many people with abuse that system in the Northeastern region. Look at the LRT systems in NJ , a decent amount of ppl jump the fares or only pay one way fare. Things like that would never work on a large scale system. But the LIRR needs to be overhauled....if they upgraded the whole system then costs would go down like on the MNRR or NJT , if the build up around the stations and got Ridership up....then costs would go down like NJ , Lower Hudson Valley and CT are doing around the stations. You can't retrofit the trains , that would cost 100s of millions aswell , probably more then the stations. Yes they do stop fights look on youtube and theres alot behind the scenes...
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Old 04-07-2011, 11:50 AM
 
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Arcane union rules.

The reason the trains are so "wild at night" is because the railroad allows for the consumption of alcohol and certain meatheads can't control themselves. I say ban the alcohol which would be bad thing, but if it means cutting down the price of a one way ticket costing $17 so be it. Automate and downsize. We can't afford the railroad and the surge in its pensions, something has to be done.
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Old 04-07-2011, 11:54 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Arcane union rules.

The reason the trains are so "wild at night" is because the railroad allows for the consumption of alcohol and certain meatheads can't control themselves. I say ban the alcohol which would be bad thing, but if it means cutting down the price of a one way ticket costing $17 so be it. Automate.
Metro North allows drinks and is pretty tame compared to LIRR , i think its becuz the LIRR runs 24/7. The LIRR should limit its 24/7 zone to NYC limits... The Union is not to blame , again its the lack of upkeep to the Railroad which the Union has actually been trying to fix for the past few decades. The Higher ups keep ignoring it , intill we see issues like the Jamaica fire. Metro North and NJT upgraded there systems in the 80/90s and rarely have large scale issues unless involving Amtrak...
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:37 PM
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Yea and watch how many people with abuse that system in the Northeastern region. Look at the LRT systems in NJ , a decent amount of ppl jump the fares or only pay one way fare. Things like that would never work on a large scale system.
and what you have here doesn't work either.
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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and what you have here doesn't work either.
It does work , what do you know about Running a Railroad? LIRR has had a long history of issues going back to the 1920s , its always been behind in Track , system and equipment upgrades....compared to Metro North and NJT. Management needs to change , aswell as some lower level employees , but i don't blame the Union or the way the Railroad is setup. Its a Railroad , not a Metro or LRT , so don't except it to be ran like a Metro or LRT because it will never happen. I think people need to be more educated on the workings of Transportation because its not always the Union thats the problem , its sometimes things you don't see that are the issue. That goes for every format of Transportation...
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Old 04-07-2011, 12:43 PM
 
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Arcane union rules.

The reason the trains are so "wild at night" is because the railroad allows for the consumption of alcohol and certain meatheads can't control themselves. I say ban the alcohol which would be bad thing, but if it means cutting down the price of a one way ticket costing $17 so be it. Automate and downsize. We can't afford the railroad and the surge in its pensions, something has to be done.
Many people get on the train pretty smashed already. Most people on the "last call" trains that run out of Penn around 3am are loaded with people coming from the bars.
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