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Old 04-09-2011, 11:39 PM
 
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You can't do that , shows how much you know about running a RR , or anything about an RR. Local towns and the county would oppose doing this or your way. 600 million is low , the stations and system weren't designed to have turnstiles....
Exactly. The railroads are based on zone fares. This is not the subway where everyone needs to just swipe once because it doesn't matter where you exit.

Just imagine the morning rush hour or PM rush hour with everyone swiping at Grand Central Terminal...
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Old 04-10-2011, 12:15 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Exactly. The railroads are based on zone fares. This is not the subway where everyone needs to just swipe once because it doesn't matter where you exit.

Just imagine the morning rush hour or PM rush hour with everyone swiping at Grand Central Terminal...
Well Boston uses a Tap and go system or will use it for there Urban Commuter stations , NJT is planning to follow suit for the Urban Stations....after the overhauled except Hoboken. But the Fare gates would only be used at Urban stations , People don't understand how expensive it would be to retrofit the station. They just assume you can throw out fare gates and that will be end of that , the fare gates have to be covered which requires a roof which will be expensive for every platform..... Then you need to tackle the fare system , swiping or tapping like up in Boston might not work for the LIRR.....
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Old 04-10-2011, 10:25 AM
 
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You would be required to buy a ticket at your home base... Either Weekly or monthly and then you swipe the card to exit the turnstiles... It will still use the zone system based on far you travel... People that get on in Hicksvile (zone 7) would be X dollars to go to Zone 1... People that get on in Mineola (zone 4) would pay a little less... You would have to buy a ticket from your home zone... Otherwise you would pay a hefty fine in order to exit the platform...

Towns/villages would lobby against exit turnstiles but the MTA is an independent authority and the platforms are their property...

I think it is very unlikely anything would every change for the better on the LIRR... People do not like change and would reject any change to the status quo... People are acustomed to paying insane prices for crappy services...

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Exactly. The railroads are based on zone fares. This is not the subway where everyone needs to just swipe once because it doesn't matter where you exit.

Just imagine the morning rush hour or PM rush hour with everyone swiping at Grand Central Terminal...
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Old 04-10-2011, 12:55 PM
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I think it is very unlikely anything would every change for the better on the LIRR... People do not like change and would reject any change to the status quo... People are acustomed to paying insane prices for crappy services...
There will come a breaking point when the costs become so high, any alternative will be a good one.

Also, if the law comes through and revokes the MTA payroll tax in the counties; or something comes through to break the MTA monopoly over LI transit (such as a trans-sound tunnel), a major change will occur.

... or, the final solution is when there is a shut down or strike long enough for the feds to get involved- and just some money from all US taxpayers will go into funding the NYC Metro System, deeming it 'too big to fail'.
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Old 04-15-2011, 06:43 PM
 
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Its not the Unions , its the backwards FRA rules and lack of upkeep on the Railroad thats leading to these issues. Its FRA rule that we have conductors for safety , which is a good thing because the LIRR and other railroads can be a bit wild overnight.
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Old 04-15-2011, 06:47 PM
 
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Its not the Unions its Management and the lack of upgrades thats hurting the LIRR.... Unions always seem to get picked on , but in this case its the higher ups that are at fault....
agreed the LIRR is mismanaged and the LIB has HORRID RUSH HOUR CONNECTIONS TO LIRR there needs to be a cross honoring between buses and trains like metrocard but zone based
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Old 11-20-2011, 07:33 PM
 
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Chicago area Metra is planning a big fare increase next year, but it will still cost less than LIRR. And it covers 55% of operating expenses. There is a Metra station at O'Hare, but unlike the Skytrain, no additional charge to ride the bus/train to the terminals. One of its lines used to have turnstiles at its stations but they were found not to be cost effective. Like the LIRR, some of the lines had been allowed to run down but are now in decent shape. One problem is insufficient parking. At some stations there is a nine year wait for parking spaces. Not the case at LIRR?
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Planet Earth
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Chicago area Metra is planning a big fare increase next year, but it will still cost less than LIRR. And it covers 55% of operating expenses. There is a Metra station at O'Hare, but unlike the Skytrain, no additional charge to ride the bus/train to the terminals. One of its lines used to have turnstiles at its stations but they were found not to be cost effective. Like the LIRR, some of the lines had been allowed to run down but are now in decent shape. One problem is insufficient parking. At some stations there is a nine year wait for parking spaces. Not the case at LIRR?
What would be the fare for a distance comparable to say, Mineola-Penn Station?
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Old 11-22-2011, 03:33 AM
 
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What would be the fare for a distance comparable to say, Mineola-Penn Station?
A one way ticket from Orland Park, a southwest suburb, to Union Station just outside the Loop (27 miles) is $5.00. Mineola to Penn (25 miles) is $7.25 off peak and $10.00 peak.
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Old 11-23-2011, 11:20 AM
 
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Railroads aren't built like Metros and you would have to retrofit every station in the system costing hundreds of millions of $$$. Only the Urban Stations should do that, which cut down on a few things. But it goes back to a safety thing , and the feds require at least 2 conductors per 6 car train.
At the rate they keep raising fares, it may still be a better way to go than the current system.
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